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    Posted: 06-Sep-2006 at 18:04
Originally posted by akritas

The most common names are Yorgos and Yiannis. Except if you mean the Slavic part of Macedonia.


Macedonia is one, indivisible and belongs to its Macedonian people whether grecophonic, slavophonic or albanophonic.
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Macedonia is a geographical term, same as Thessaly or Thrace.
 
The majority of those living in the FYROM part and Slavs and Albanians, of those in the Greek part are Greeks and in the Bulgarian part Bulgarians.
 
 
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indivisible
Is indivisible? So, who gets the 'whole' Macedonia? And don't tell me the 'macedonian people'. Because it seems that the 'macedonian people' largely disagree with eachother.
In fact Macedonia is just soil, divisible as any land. Macedonia as a historical name belongs to the Greeks (and that is something some must figure out eventually). As a geographical name it belongs to Greece, Albania, Bulgaria and FYROM.

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Originally posted by bg_turk


Macedonia is one, indivisible and belongs to its Macedonian people whether grecophonic, slavophonic or albanophonic.



This is the joke of the day,indeed,LOLLOLLOL
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Originally posted by xristar

Is indivisible? So, who gets the 'whole' Macedonia? And don't tell me the 'macedonian people'. Because it seems that the 'macedonian people' largely disagree with eachother.
In fact Macedonia is just soil, divisible as any land. Macedonia as a historical name belongs to the Greeks (and that is something some must figure out eventually). As a geographical name it belongs to Greece, Albania, Bulgaria and FYROM.


Who knows, maybe one day all Macedonians may decided to unite ...
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Who knows, maybe one day all Macedonians may decided to unite ...

One day all "macedonians" from FYROMacedonia will unite with the other part of the bulgarian people again. I promise.
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Who knows, maybe one day all Macedonians may decided to unite ...
There is no macedonian nation, which means that the albanians feel albanians and the greeks feel greeks. Now, the slavs don't feel bulgarian for a number of historical reasons, but that doesn't mean that a macedonian nation exists.

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Originally posted by Yiannis

Macedonia is a geographical term, same as Thessaly or Thrace.
 
The majority of those living in the FYROM part and Slavs and Albanians, of those in the Greek part are Greeks and in the Bulgarian part Bulgarians.
 
 
 
YES YES YES
This is the correct aspect.
Now historically FYrom of Bulgarians may think whatever they want. The history it doesn't change. After all Leonidas said something to the PErsians which is suitable to al those people who have regional claims from Greece.
Μολών Λαβέ. Come and get it.


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Originally posted by xristar

There is no macedonian nation, which means that the albanians feel albanians and the greeks feel greeks. Now, the slavs don't feel bulgarian for a number of historical reasons, but that doesn't mean that a macedonian nation exists.
 
Funny to observe how you try to avoid name Macedonians for present Macedonian nation Smile
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Originally posted by Anton

Originally posted by xristar

There is no macedonian nation, which means that the albanians feel albanians and the greeks feel greeks. Now, the slavs don't feel bulgarian for a number of historical reasons, but that doesn't mean that a macedonian nation exists.
 
Funny to observe how you try to avoid name Macedonians for present Macedonian nation Smile
Your country (Bulgaria) recoqnize the Macedonian nation Anton?
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Originally posted by Anton

Originally posted by xristar

There is no macedonian nation, which means that the albanians feel albanians and the greeks feel greeks. Now, the slavs don't feel bulgarian for a number of historical reasons, but that doesn't mean that a macedonian nation exists.
 
Funny to observe how you try to avoid name Macedonians for present Macedonian nation Smile
Your country (Bulgaria) recoqnize the Macedonian nation Anton?
and I repeat nation
 
Actually, I dunno. We officially recognized Macedonian language. That's for sure.
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I didn't ask you for the language.I asked you for the Macedonian nation
Yes or No ?
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Originally posted by akritas

I didn't ask you for the language.I asked you for the Macedonian nation
Yes or No ?
 
I said already that I do not know.
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You should answer question! Did your nation make this crime? did they recognise Macedonian nation?

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My nation did more evil crimes Cry  My question was why greek co-forumers do not call them f.e. indo-europeans or christians or euroasians or just people LOL Why "slavs"?
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Originally posted by Mortaza

You should answer question! Did your nation make this crime? did they recognise Macedonian nation?

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I want to see your face when will  born in the North East borders (if these will be change) and start to claim
 
-We are the real ansectors of the  Mehmet III and not the Turks that steal our  history
-We are these that conquered the Constantinople and not the Turks that steal our  history
-We are these that born the Kemal and not the Turks that steal our history
 
and of course with the blessings of the only superpower!!!


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My nation did more evil crimes Cry  My question was why greek co-forumers do not call them f.e. indo-europeans or christians or euroasians or just people LOL Why "slavs"?
First tell  why Bulgaria doesn't recognized them as nation Sleepyand then I will answer you in your question.Wink
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Originally posted by akritas

I want to see your face when will  born in the North East borders (if these will be change) and start to claim
 
-We are the real ansectors of the  Mehmet III and not the Turks that steal our  history
-We are these that conquered the Constantinople and not the Turks that steal our  history
-We are these that born the Kemal and not the Turks that steal our history
 
and of course with the blessings of the only superpower!!!
 
This is what you, Greeks, are actually doing with all neighboring nations.


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Originally posted by akritas

First tell  why Bulgaria doesn't recognized them as nation Sleepyand then I will answer you in your question.Wink
 
Then we will not hear your answer for a liong time, akritas Smile But even now nobody call them other way than Makedonci (which is actually Makedonians). Because they live in a geographical place called Macedonia.
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Originally posted by Akritas

First tell  why Bulgaria doesn't recognized them as nation

Actually Bulgaria recognized the FYROMacedonian nation, but Bulgaria will newer recognize a such thing like a "slavic macedonian people".


A FYROMacedonian nation really exists.
But there don`t exist a such thing like "ethnic macedonian people".


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I will specify the difference between the termins "nation" and "people":

"Nation" are all the citizens of one political state, who are living, working and payind taxes to that political state. They can be of many & different ethnic groups.
"People" is something diferent. These are human beings from the same ethnic group or from few ethnic groups, but with very very big similarities between them(as between the dialects of one language).

The history is also important thing for the formation of one people, but in the "slavic-macedonian" case - all is clear - according to the history they are definetly not different from the other bulgarians.

And because of that: there don`t exist "slavic macedonian nation", but there really exist "macedonian"(FYROMian) nation. And that nation is composite mainly of macedonian bulgarians(as a part of the bulgarian people) and albanians(as a part of the albanian people).


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