Israel vs Lebanon, the sequel

Originally posted by Komnenos Sorry Omar, here you are completely wrong. Virtually all Eastern European Jews , the Ashkenazi, are the descendants of Western and Central European Jewish people who during the Middle Ages, having been expelled, migrated further East, to Poland and today's Russia, both countries that were then far more tolerant than the rest of Europe. That the remnants of the Khazar Jews might have contributed to the Eastern European Jewish gene-pool on a small scale, is possible, but so far has not been proven. By the time large scale immigration from the West arrived, the Khazars were long gone.

Now its my turn: Not saying your wrong. But can this be proven?

Originally posted by erkut Yes maybe İsrael is a terorist too. And even you can define her ass a monster but who had created this monster? Since 1948 Araps attacking to İsrael again and again, non-stop. Every jewish family has a victim of teror or war. İf you keep attack to a country more than 50 years and if this country is small peopels could be mad! İn 1948 there was a perfect solution for peace; İsrael and Palastin were two free country and Jerusalem was international city. But Araps started a war and they lose it, than  they started an other war and they lose it again. Again and again they keep attaked to İsrael. So could you tell me who created this monster?Or who is the real monster?   P.S: İ am sorry for war and Lebnanese deaths but there are jews dieing to. And objectively Jews are deffending themselves.

 cok qoute-The Katyusha rockets fired on the kidnapping event were not intended to hit civilian targets more than provide a distracting coverage of the kindnapping plan which worked ,

Omar, those figures are disputable .  

Omar, those figures are disputable .

I agree, highly disputable. Those are the IDF figures

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1227264,00.html?cnn=yes

Yes, we can sit around thousands of kilometers aways and ask What defines a victory?
And while we are doing this, the Israelis are holding inquirys and sacking their commanders, and the Lebanese are shooting off fireworks.

The armoured might of the Israeli army which can defeat all its neighbours in 6 days, failed to capture 30km of lebanon.

Of course it seems that Israel considers Arabs as second class citizens.

Originally posted by R_AK47 Originally posted by Northman I know the parallel is a bit off - but look at it this way.   In Madrid, London and southern Lebanon terrorists are hiding between civilians. In order to kill a few terrorists, Israel chose to destroy southern Lebanon and kill civilians by the thousands. Why isnt the same happening in Madrid and London? - some people could easily get the idea, that the civilians are more worth there?   Why is Israel "forced" to use methods in Lebanon that are totally unacceptable elsewhere?     Your parallel is ridiculously off.  Terrorists are not launching rockets into Israel from Madrid or London, so Israel has no need to intercede in these situations.  Even if muslim terrorists did find some way to attack Israel from Madrid or London the governments of England and Spain would certainly take swift and decisive action against the terrorists.  Again, Israel would probably not need to get invovled.  Lebanon has done nothing to stop the terrorists and instead allowed them to conduct there terrorist activity from Lebanese soil.  Lebanon got what it deserved when Israel invaded to stop the terrorists.

Edited by Northman - 16-Aug-2006 at 04:35

Originally posted by erkut   Hezbollah is a terorist organization! You could show your photos and i could mines but everytime İsrael had fight to defend her self.(1948-1956-1967-1973 and now)

those pictures are misleading, are those victims of hezbollah or other arab organisations? this is lies Erkut. That magazine cover (with what looks like a doctored picture), shows what level of reading material you base your reality on, but it explains alot. Hezbollah didnt blow up buses or use suicides against isreali civilans as far as i know, no need to mix them up with other bearded jihadis from gaza or the west bank.

(They are not all the same, not even just because you say so)

BTW i had greiving isreali soldiers in my post, partly for some balance which you seem to lack, and because they are the biggest isreali group killed in this war. Such a pity, having the young die for a pointless war that acheived nothing.

As you seem to be blinded by your own past victimhood ill explain my point, any bombing of civilians (or the infrastracture that supports them)  for 'revenge' or pay back is an act of terrorism. both sides can hang their heads in shame for such behavoiur. No excuses!

Hezbollah is not the only terorist organiztion in Middle East.