Israel vs Lebanon, the sequel

I also disagree with Omar on his last comment about Hezbollah was only created to defend Lebanon from the Israelis. Hezbollah was inspired by the success of the Islamic Revolution in Iran. It was also formed to spread Shia revolution and of course, to combat Israeli occupation following 1982 war in Lebanon. Hezbollah views Israel as a whole as "an illegal usurper entity, which is based on falsehood, massacres, and illusions"

Ok, mine was a oversimplification. But hezbullah haven't placed the lebonese people, anywhere that Israel had not already put them.

Ponce: Sure Iran funds Hezbullah, and America funds Israel. Israel is not doing America's bidding, and niether is Hezbullah Iran's.

why do you think that number of suicide bombers will decrease, their actions are not based on reason...if they were, they wouldnt be suicide bombers in the first place...one must value human life, that of his own and that of others'.

A suicide bombers actions are not based on reason, but reasons cause a suicide bombers action.
Those reasons are emotional, due to the condition that the people are living in. Improve the conditions, and suicide attacks will reduce.
Whats worse, giving the palestinians back their homes and correcting a previous genocide. Or the slaughter and deportation of 6 million people? Because I don't see any other options in the long term.

It is clear that the attack on Lebanon was pre-planned.

Damn right. Now you tell me Syria's withdrawl wasn't engineered by Israel.
If Syria hadn't "cut-and-run", Israel would not be bombing lebanon right now.

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Those reasons are emotional, due to the condition that the people are living in. Improve the conditions, and suicide attacks will reduce. Whats worse, giving the palestinians back their homes and correcting a previous genocide. Or the slaughter and deportation of 6 million people? Because I don't see any other options in the long term.

And what conditions are these suicide bombers living in? 70% of India's popualtion is probably living much, much worse than any of those bombers. They are not driven by "poor economical conditions" but by erronous ideas injected into them by radicals, who dont care neither for the 15 year old teenager nor for twenty other people that teenager is willing to kill...

If giving Palestinians homes back in Israel will result in mass deportations/murder of 6 million Israelis 5 years into the future then I dont think they should return.

Why cant houses be built for them (And I think this has already been done) in Lebanon, or Syria, Jordan, current Palestinian territories...I doubt you want to trade human life for houses (money).

But lets be straight...this is not about the homes; homes can be built anywhere, many homes...

This is about the existance of Israel in the Middle East



Edited by mamikon - 30-Jul-2006 at 01:19

Originally posted by Ponce de Leon To be honest and blunt Omar, Me and most of the free world would surely appreciate America and Israel's interests than Iran's and Syria's

I am sorry, but thats a really stupid thing to say. Last I heard 90% of Europe is calling for the end of war. So does the American public...me including

Hitting hezbollah is fine, but if isreal cannot do it accuratly or be reasonably effective then it should think twice, no one can win a war if the public relations is lost.

i thought it was a good idea to act strong, (but after like fkin day 4) now i am pretty much over the whole strong arm move. I was wrong in thinking that isreal knew its own limitations best and would do what was needed quickly, the longer this drags out the worse for israel gets. Weakening lebanon the way isreal is doing is like using kemo when there are other alternative cures.

I have allot of respect for both sides militarily speaking, this will be a very tough fight, but right now hezbollah are making fools of the isreali forces. The current hand to hand fighting makes it impossible to use artilery and air-support and this  levelled out the playing feild for the hezbi soldiers.

for the record most isreali dead are soldiers.

Originally posted by edgewaters Originally posted by erkut Actually, hezbollah has killed more civilians than israeli soldiers . They both attack to cities.      Categorically false. Latest reports I heard, 42 Israelis had been wounded and 8 had died from Katyusha strikes. 600-800 Lebanese have died from Israeli air strikes (wounded, unknown), but with food and water out, real casualties, in a few weeks or months, could be in the tens of thousands in the south of Lebanon once people start starving to death.

Originally posted by Ponce de Leon Originally posted by Omar al Hashim [quote]Not really. Hezbullah only exist to defend lebanon from the israelis. I have to disagree with that. Hezbullah exsists to DEFEND Iran's interests. Who created them? WHo gives Hezbullah weapons and makes them do their bidding? The country that sends them 300 million dollars a year thats who!

It happened in the town of kana, where in the 90s the ISraelis bombed another UN compound massacring over 100 civilians.

Including israel? are you cheer leader of israel?

Originally posted by Zagros 40 more civilians massacred, 21 were children.  I don't remember any such attack even in Iraq by the Americans.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Long live Israel, hope to see one day no terrorist in the middle east!

Edited by azimuth - 30-Jul-2006 at 11:42