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    Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:56
Originally posted by Surmount

The rest of Africa is of the same black negroid race
 
I think everyone is more than aware that this is your stance on most issues involving Africa.  I suggest that you and pinguin accept that you have differing opinions and one will not convince the other of anything.  The major point that everyone has gotten out of this is that there are radically different theories about the ethnicity/race of Africans no matter what the reality might be.
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:55
Originally posted by elenos

Nice post pinquin! But there are more languages than that?
 
Yes. I know that the figure is even more complex than that.
 
By the way, I am interested in the archaeology of Nigeria and the bronzes of Ife. However, with so many wild afrocentric claims going on, people won't even understand why is important to divide Africa in its region and keep things real. Otherwise, it is impossible to see its achievements.
 
It is a pitty that most people that study SS African archaelogy are either British or Germans....
 
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  Quote Surmount Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:51
The only difference is the very top countries of north Africa was Arabized

Arabization is the gradual transformation of an area into one that speaks Arabic and is part of the Arab culture. It can also mean the replacement or displacement of a native population with Arabs, although this rarely happened in ancient times, as there weren't nearly sufficient numbers of original Arabs to replace or displace existing populations.

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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:46
Nice post pinquin! But there are more languages than that?
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  Quote Surmount Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:44
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The only difference is north Africa was Arabized

Arabization is the gradual transformation of an area into one that speaks Arabic and is part of the Arab culture. It can also mean the replacement or displacement of a native population with Arabs, although this rarely happened in ancient times, as there weren't nearly sufficient numbers of original Arabs to replace or displace existing populations.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:39
Co-sign
 
Now, compare this map
 
 
Image:Sub-Saharan-Africa.png
 
 
With the map of the Afroasiatic languages:
 
 
 
And you get a pretty clear idea that Africa is not a single entity.
That's a matter that is was always known since the beginning of history.
 
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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:29
Originally posted by Surmount

All it means is south of the sahara


But there is more meaning to it than that. The Sahara acted as a natural barrier to trade and population movement between North Africa and the rest. North Africa was largely isolated from the rest, with the exception of the Nile and some trans-Saharan traders. North Africa was therefore influenced by one of the greatest conduits for cultural and population transportation the world has ever known: the Mediterranean Sea. It was this channel of water which linked North Africa to the civilisations of the Middle East and Europe, which have provided by far the greatest influence on the development of civilisation in North Africa.
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  Quote Surmount Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 22:01
Sub-Saharan Africa is the term used to describe the area of the African continent which lies south of the Sahara desert. Geographically, the demarcation line is the southern edge of the Sahara Desert.

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All it means is south of the sahara
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 21:25
Originally posted by Surmount

And there is no difference between sub-Saharan Africa and northern Africa as far as being a continent. That's just a label that was put on Africa. It just means south of the Sahara desert. But Africa is Africa.
 
Africa is not homogenious, fellow. Is like to say Spaniards are Mongols because they live in the same land mass than Chineses Wink
 
Africa North of the Sahara has a different history when compared with East Africa and West-Central-South Africa.
 
The difference? The degree of isolation.
 
A region like the Maghreb has a lot more in common with Europe rather than with SS Africa. Even the people looks similar. Besides, during most of the history the people of the Mediterranean has gone back and forth by sea with a lot easy than crossing the Sahara.
 
Don't twist reality with ideologies, please.
 
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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 00:09
Have you ever heard of the equator Surmount? To me it means the temperature changes when you pass through it. What does it mean to you? And also do you think Europe is Europe and those pale-skinners are all the same? Come on tell us your real agenda!
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  Quote Surmount Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 23:49
And there is no difference between sub-Saharan Africa and northern Africa as far as being a continent. That's just a label that was put on Africa. It just means south of the Sahara desert. But Africa is Africa.
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  Quote Surmount Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 23:44
Africa has a very rich history which has been downgraded and pushed to the side. But Africa it looks will regain its position. The Chinese African connection is helping China giving them resources for their new booming economy. And Africa is being helped with their modernization and other things.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 22:54
Originally posted by Almazy

 just ignorance and nothing else truth is africa had many civilizations and created kigdoms waaay before "the white man" came.
the reason why africa has so much problems today is because of colonialism. 
 
I have always though that the problems of Subsaharian Africa started before colonialism. Actually, it was with slave trade. The fact is that North Africa start slave trade on SS Africans long before the Europeans landed in there.
 
 
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  Quote Almazy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 21:15
 just ignorance and nothing else truth is africa had many civilizations and created kigdoms waaay before "the white man" came.
the reason why africa has so much problems today is because of colonialism. 
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Well, I suppose that in the 1960s, with many new states being set up and the grip of colonialism finally falling away, the nations just wanted to modernise, despite what would have happened afterwards. The other problem is the governmental structure - when the colonials left, the old states of Africa (which were now being run in a pseudo-colonial fashion) which the Africans were familiar with, were doing fairly well. But when nationalism set in, however, and people began to set up their own states, they did so without any european assistance and thus the entire framework for the states was flawed. Also, tribal warfare and competition crept into these new states, with nepotism and corruption in the government being rifle.
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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jul-2007 at 09:20
You would think they would have thought of that beforehand. The people needed the subsistence farming to fall back on at least. So many do-gooders interfere that the situation still is a mass confusion. To allow the Africans work their way through their own problems with a minimum of assistance  is still not a popular idea, still too much emotion attached.
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  Quote edgewaters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jul-2007 at 07:30
One of the big problems for Africa, ironically enough, has been the introduction of more intensive agriculture ushered in under the Green Revolution of the 1960s.

The new agriculture was more mechanized and required more inputs in the form of credit - causing many farmers to be displaced from their land and ushering in agribusiness, which employed only a small fraction of the more labour-intensive agriculture.

The overall result was an increase in food supply and lower food prices, but, less access to employment and the disruption of the subsistence economy. Since little industry was available to provide new forms of employment, the subsistence economy was not really replaced with anything for millions of former small farmers - they ended up living in squalid conditions in the cities.

Greater food supply also increased populations, which led to some localized ecological problems, including droughts which resulted in famine.

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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jul-2007 at 06:46
That is good news. However is land what the conflict is all about or power?
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  Quote Aster Thrax Eupator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jul-2007 at 05:53
Well, at least it's a start... One good thing is that it could help reduce the problem of fundamentalism occuring in the northern Muslim areas. Also, another great piece of news is that a huge lake has been discovered undernearth Darfur which could end the conflict by making more land ariable.
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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jul-2007 at 05:50
Yes, infrastructure is the right word. But one recent problem, if I dare say it there has been huge increase of Arabic and Chinese relocation to Africa. They build up cities from what was jungles twenty years ago, but the original natives are outside dwellers. Infrastructure is coming in but the natives are still on the fringes on the wealth being generated.   
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