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    Posted: 19-Jul-2006 at 12:31
Arabs were saying "Dersaadet"
 
And the Seljuks said "Konstantiniyye"
 
But to Ottomans used "İslambul",it means the place of divine rights and İslam.
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  Quote Aster Thrax Eupator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jul-2006 at 16:36
Istanbul must have been called thousands of names- think of the strategic and political significance it has played throughout its 4000 year history!
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  Quote bg_turk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jul-2006 at 18:13
Originally posted by R_AK47

The origins of the word Istanbul are Greek.  It simply means "the city."

No, according to the Greek theory it is supposed to mean "to the city". But the Greek theory seems as good a guess as any, and Islambol is in my opinion more plausible.
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  Quote Neoptolemos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jul-2006 at 18:21
Originally posted by Bulldog

Elinn
what do they think it means in Turkish?
If the Turks can't come up with an etymology of the word, then they can't claim ownership, i would've thought.
 
They have, "Islambol", which is a natural and logical conclusion.
"They" as we say "we"? lol
 
Islambol = City with abundance of Islam, city of lots of Islam.
I don't know much about Turkish linguistics, so I have two questions for you (or anybody else who supports this theory):
How did "Islam" become "Istan", particularly how did "l" become "t"?
Does "bol" mean "city" or sth like this?

 
Anatolia is not a Greek word.

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  Quote Bulldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jul-2006 at 20:43
The city was known as Islambol, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise how logical it is for it to have such a name.

Why was it changed?

Umm, there was a revolution, the Ottoman Establishment overthrown, the old capitol was moved and to weaken its power and get away from it being the centre of the Capiphate aswell as to secularise, the name Istanbul was adopted.

Common, even the most die hard Greek nationalists must laugh at the pathetic excuse for it being, "In the City" , yeah Mehmed heard some Greek peasents say IN TO THE CITY and stupid Mehmed said yeah that's it, I'll name it IN THE CITY

Mehmed the Conquerer was a highly educated very intellegent man and brilliant strategist, who knew six languages.

Why should the word "CITY" be in the actual name of a city, how ridiculous. London is London, not Londoncity, Rome is Rome, Paris is Paris.

I think certain Greeks should have a good listen to this song.


Istanbul (Not Constantinople)
"Istanbul" 1953


Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night

Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way

So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works
That's nobody's business but the Turks

Istanbul (Istanbul)
Istanbul (Istanbul)

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way

Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works
That's nobody's business but the Turks

So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works
That's nobody's business but the Turks

Istanbul


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  Quote Neoptolemos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jul-2006 at 21:00
Originally posted by Bulldog

The city was known as Islambol, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise how logical it is for it to have such a name.
Well, if you say so, I guess I have to agree. Hell, on all of your posts here on AE you have proven how knowledgeable you are in every thread you partcipate.

Why should the word "CITY" be in the actual name of a city, how ridiculous. London is London, not Londoncity, Rome is Rome, Paris is Paris.
Because Constantinople was THE CITY.
(London is not Londoncity, but Indianapolis is Indianapolis. In case you don't know, polis means city. Tell them that they have a ridiculous name for their city lol)

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  Quote Bulldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jul-2006 at 21:19
Constantine's City but it was no longer a Roman City once the Ottomans walked in was it, it became the abode of Islam     

Its also been called Islambol, Kushta, Gosdantnubolis, Tsarigrad, Rumiyya al-kubra, New Jerusalem, the Eye of the World, the Refuge of the Universe, the Gate of Happiness, Costa, Micklegard........ and so on.

Pick your favourite, it really doesn't matter. Out of them all, Islambol was most relevant as the cities new Muslim rulers and inhabitants were obviously adheres of Islam. Islambol --> Istanbul due to the abolishment of the Caliphate and to distance from the old Theocratic rule to the new secular.

Sorry but its far more viable than the story about a Mehmed over-hearing a few old guys say IN TO THE CITY IN TO THE CITY

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way


Old Istanbul was once called Constantinople or Neu Roma
Why they changed it I CAN say
People just like it better that way

Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works
That's nobody's business but the Turks



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  Quote Neoptolemos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jul-2006 at 21:24
Islambol - a bol of lots of Islam - case closed.

good nait and sweet drims
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  Quote Ellin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2006 at 05:08
Originally posted by Bulldog


Islambol = City with abundance of Islam, city of lots of Islam


see.. even that's "Greek". Wink

bol = mpoliko (pron. bo-li-ko) which means = plentiful

bahahah..... you guyz can't think of anything original LOL Tongue

 

Edited by Ellin - 20-Jul-2006 at 07:46
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  Quote Bulldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2006 at 07:02
1. abundant. plentiful. generous. plenty. full. rich. wealthy. loose. hefty. wide. baggy. abounding. affluent. ample. bounteous. bountiful. copious. effusive. exuberant. fecund. flush. handsome. hearty. lavish. liberal. lush. luxuriant. opulent. plenteo.
 
seslisozluk
 
bol : wide, loose; ample;
 
 
bol : abundant
bol : ample
bol : baggy
bol : copious
bol : full
bol : hearty
bol : large
bol : lavish
bol : lush
bol : luxuriant
bol : opulent
bol : plenteous
 
etc etc
 
 
Elinn
bahahah.....
 
A vent of extremem frustration LOL
 
You guys can't accept the realities...
 
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way


Old Istanbul was once called Constantinople or Neu Roma
Why they changed it I CAN say
People just like it better that way

Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works
That's nobody's business but the Turks
 
Have a nice day in Islambol, in Islambul where you can "find Islam", or Tsarigrad, or  New Jerusalem or  the Eye of the World or how about Costa and if your a Saxon then Micklegard.
 
Just accept whose city it is today and whose it always will be, have a nice day Big smile
 
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  Quote Ellin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2006 at 07:34
Originally posted by Bulldog

Just accept whose city it is today and whose it always will be


tehehe... so you think!

Kosmas the Aitolian doesn't seem to think so! Wink
bit of an enigma for you.
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  Quote Aster Thrax Eupator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2006 at 09:23
Didn't the Vagarian Guard have a special name for it? You know, the Byzantine Emperor's Viking Bodyguard.
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  Quote Bulldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2006 at 10:02
I think it was "Micklegard"
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  Quote Aster Thrax Eupator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2006 at 16:32
Ah- Ok. Evidently i need to read posts more! :D
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Jul-2006 at 10:56
Therefore the fact is that Turks couldn't spell Islambol so they changed it to Istanbul, yes?
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  Quote perikles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2006 at 09:36
Istanbul means to the city in greek "s tin poli" as it was said before.
KOnstantinoupoli is a greek city (was actually) and the turkish has the tedency to change everything and claim their owner hip. it is not new.
the history confirms the above opinion. thats true whtaever our "friends" from turkey or antigreeks saiy
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  Quote erkut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2006 at 09:54
Too many Turkish cities names originaly not Turkish.
For ex.
Konya ------İkonium
İstanbul ----İstinpol
But itsnt important those are turkish cities now
By the way Anatoli  means east in Greek.
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2006 at 10:37
the history confirms the above opinion.
how can history confirm this?
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  Quote The Hidden Face Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2006 at 13:39
Hi folks. Let's take a look at Ottoman Empire Coins.
 
Firstly, The Conqueror's coins.
 
 
 
 
As you can see above, the name was Konstantiniye, not Islambol, nor Istanbul.
 
The first appearance of the word Islambol on Ottoman coins was in 1703, the Ahmed III era.
 
 
 
The word Islambol was also used by Mahmud I, Osman III, Mustafa III and finally Selim III.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
So, in 1703 the word Islambol was started to use by Ahmed III, and continued until 1789, the end of Selim III rules.
 
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After Selim III, the word Konstantiniye was started to use by Mustafa IV again. (1807)
 
 
 
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And until 1920, the name of city remained as Konstantiniye.
 
Sultan Resad (1918):
 
 
 
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And, here is my humble opinions on the origin theories.
 
1) Islambol > Istanbul.
 
I think, it's just imposible that the word Islam has been deformed.
 
2) Is Tin Poli > Istanbul.
 
The word "Poli" equals the word "bolu" in Turkish, without any exception. It would have been Istanbolu, or rather Istinbolu, If it had been derived from "Is Tin Poli".
 
3) Persian Istan-bul > Istanbul.
 
I think, this is the most logical possibility in terms of derivation.
 
 
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  Quote Digenis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2006 at 14:25
@Hidden face:
What does Istan-bol mean in Persian?
Is it mentioned in persian sources before 1071?

I think we should search for how did Persians and Arabs call the City until the 11th century.
For me it would be very probable the Turks to adopt the name from them (as they did with thousands of words)

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Edited by Digenis - 31-Jul-2006 at 14:27
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