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Temujin
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Topic: World History Maps Posted: 23-Nov-2004 at 14:27 |
not really, Novgorod was just tributary
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Styrbiorn
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Posted: 23-Nov-2004 at 15:08 |
Originally posted by Khasar
Wow! I didn't know territory of Mongol Empire reached far north into near Finland. |
It didn't. Novgorod was as said not a part of the Golden Horde and the northern limits of said republic on that map can also be discussed.
There are lots of smallish errors (eg my home province was not a part of Norway in 1086, but very independent, thank you very much) hardly worth to comment, but it would be nice to know who fiddled away Sweden on the 1086 map.
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Posted: 24-Nov-2004 at 10:25 |
1.The map of the caliphate is wrong, because they couldn't invade all of the Western Turkistan. Also during the caliphates time, most of the Turks were living in eastern and southern terrattorries of the lake of Aral and Maverannehir. And the Ceyhun(Amu Derya) river was the border between the Arabs and Turks.
2.The Mongols didn't conquer Anatolia. The had collected tributes from the Anatolian Seljuks and beyliks.
3.Ottoman Empire has to include Trablus(Libya) and eastern Algeria in the fourth map.
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Temujin
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Posted: 24-Nov-2004 at 10:58 |
Originally posted by Oguzoglu
2.The Mongols didn't conquer Anatolia. The had collected tributes from the Anatolian Seljuks and beyliks.
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they did not conquer it, but defeated anatolian turks in two battles (one of it was Ksedagh, i've forgotten the name of the other battle). and anatolian turks accepted vassalage, thus they're within the borders of the Il-Khanate.
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Dragon
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Posted: 24-Nov-2004 at 11:25 |
Originally posted by Slickmeister
The Mongol Empire was never that big |
Actually, it was if you count the spheres of influence. Technically the Mongols did not conqueor as far north as map shows into Russia, but Novgorod submitted willingly without a fight. So, although the Mongols didn't sack Novgorod, it did pay tribute, contribute military recruits and allow itself to be under the Mongol sphere of influence. The same goes for the very sparsely-populated area north of it. So I'd have to disagree, at least in the North-West, the Mongol empire really was that big. It was the biggest land-based empire the world has ever known!!
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Temujin
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Posted: 24-Nov-2004 at 11:47 |
no, contrary to popular believe Siebria was not inhabited by just a few savag tribes, actually the Yakuts have one fo the best heavy cavalries of the world, probably secodn only to the Tibetans or maybe even better. Cossacks fighting for the Czar ahd a hard time defeatign them, along with other ferocious fighting Siberian tribes. Siberia was far from being subject to the Mongols.
and actually Dai-Viet, Champa and Burma should have been included as well, afetr all they were tributary even though the Mongol armies had to withdraw from the countries after sucessfully defeating the main armies due to guerilla activities and hostile climate.
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Posted: 31-Mar-2005 at 05:19 |
Originally posted by Temujin
I know another good site with a map software, though it only covers europe.
http://www.historicalatlas.net/
there's a free demo version for the years 1792 - 1820. |
Does anyone here have the full version? I'm curious about it....
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Hardel
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Posted: 01-Apr-2005 at 05:39 |
Why big wrote china on the third map.This is not china.Just Yuan empire.Then china was no independent.
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Posted: 03-Apr-2005 at 05:30 |
Originally posted by Oguzoglu
1.The map of the caliphate is wrong, because they
couldn't invade all of the Western Turkistan. Also during the
caliphates time, most of the Turks were living in eastern and southern
terrattorries of the lake of Aral and Maverannehir. And the Ceyhun(Amu
Derya) river was the border between the Arabs and Turks.
2.The Mongols didn't conquer Anatolia. The had collected tributes from the Anatolian Seljuks and beyliks.
3.Ottoman Empire has to include Trablus(Libya) and eastern Algeria in the fourth map. |
Don't forget Chormagan.Seljuk turks lost and capitulated to mongol general Chormagan.
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warhead
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Posted: 04-Apr-2005 at 16:10 |
"Why big wrote china on the third map.This is not china.Just Yuan empire.Then china was no independent. "
Yuan IS politically China.
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RED GUARD
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Posted: 04-Apr-2005 at 20:02 |
Does anyone have a hyperlink to a map that is
made by the computer and doesn't need downloading?
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Posted: 05-Apr-2005 at 04:17 |
i will post the rest later
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Hardel
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Posted: 05-Apr-2005 at 05:18 |
Yuan IS politically China. [/QUOTE]I think you mistaken.
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Posted: 11-Apr-2005 at 11:41 |
Originally posted by Styrbiorn
Originally posted by Khasar
Wow! I didn't know territory of Mongol Empire reached far north into near Finland. |
It didn't. Novgorod was as said not a part of the Golden Horde and the northern limits of said republic on that map can also be discussed. |
Didn't Birkarlians pay tributes to Novogorod up to the 14th century? At about 1328, the Swedish state had advanced just above Hlsingland (mid Scandinavia). Thus, most of Scandinavia (in a geographical perspective) was likely under Novogorodian control.
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warhead
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Posted: 11-Apr-2005 at 13:07 |
"I think you mistaken. "
No absolutely not, a state in the past is based on political structure and claim, not the content of its ethnic hroups, the official title of the empire was Da Yuan Chao, not a khanate of Mongols. Yuan meaning primorial, is a term used for a Chinese era. And the Yuan is very much politically the Middle kingdom than anything else.
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Posted: 23-May-2005 at 12:50 |
Maybe Finland was one of the Golden Horde's tributaries.
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Jazz
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Posted: 22-Oct-2005 at 15:54 |
Originally posted by Jazz
Originally posted by Temujin
I know another good site with a map software, though it only covers europe.
http://www.historicalatlas.net/
there's a free demo version for the years 1792 - 1820. |
Does anyone here have the full version? I'm curious about it....
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I've tried to e-mail the people involved with this program, but no response. Does anyone here have this program?
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