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Jorsalfar
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Topic: Architecture of your nation Posted: 11-Feb-2005 at 14:57 |
reminds me of Tibet
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Styrbiorn
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Posted: 11-Feb-2005 at 15:31 |
Jorsalfar, the white church is the monastery church of Varnhem. You can see the remnantes of the monastery itself to the left.
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
just how do you believe it would have have been teleported to Norway? |
Maybe by mongols! |
Who arrived 2-300 years after the churches was built?
Thing is, stave building as a technology was common in Scandinavia, and you can follow the development through the centuries. There are no indications of foreign influences (nothing similar in the neighbouring lands, for example).
What is most funny with the claim is that the building technique (ie hte way it is constructed, the engineering) is quite different from the Chinese. I assume you mean visual appearance anyway - but no Norwegian had been even near China, and vice versa.
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Posted: 11-Feb-2005 at 19:30 |
The stave churches are indeed completely native. They are built the way they are because of efficiency, using only wood in this effective construction allowed christians to set up churches more quickly and spread christianity more efficiently in scandinavia (which was no easy task there).
I've built one out of Lego, and it also often gets mistaken for something chinese by noobs Actually, I think stave churches look way more Thai than Chinese. They don't look Chinese at all IMO.
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Posted: 12-Feb-2005 at 02:11 |
In their homeland in Central Asia, Turks lived in dome-like tents appropriate to their natural surroundings, and they were nomads. These tents later influenced Turkish architecture and ornamental arts. The architecture of medreses, mosques and other Islamic buildings changed in Islamic world. And all the Islamic architecture was influenced with new Turkish power and rule over all Muslims. Turks became the leader of Islamic world with the Seljuks, and then the Ottomans. So there appeared a vommon Islamic architecturei influenced by nomadic Turkish tents and art, old middle eastern architecture, Arabic mosques and Persian architecture and art. But still, you can see the differences btw Arabic mosques and Turkish ones. The Turkish ones have circular top shapes, and a sharp shape on the middle of the roof. It is a main characteristc structure of old Turkish architecture. The nomadic tents were circular and similar to todays mosque structures of Turks, except they were smaller...
Sultan Ahmet Mosque (Blue Mosque) in Istanbul
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An example of contemporary architectural design - ANKARA |
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Capt. Lubber
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Posted: 12-Feb-2005 at 02:57 |
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styrbiorn
what is the name of that church made ofwhite stone?
It looks really nice. |
That's the one i commented on to It looks really, really nice!
I can promise the stave churches aren't influenced in any way by any orientals. Most stave churches were built before 1200. Whereas the mongols didn't come to europe until about 1220. And Scandinavia is about as far away from China as you could get in that time. They believ the style is ancient in design.
And Oguzoglu. Is that mosque byzantine, or turkish? Anyway it was very pretty
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Posted: 12-Feb-2005 at 03:06 |
I think the stave churches look alot nicer, the stone cathedrals have no charm. But aaaaight
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Indeed, someone should attempt a neo-stave style or something, bring the form to stone or something.
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Posted: 12-Feb-2005 at 03:26 |
That mosque is totally Turkish, not Byzantine. I didnt give any photos of Hagia Sophia, because it is an example of both Byzanthine and Turkish architecture... Also I have lots of more photos, but I'll send them later, because of my lack of a healthy web connection...
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Styrbiorn
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Posted: 12-Feb-2005 at 07:09 |
And Oguzoglu. Is that mosque byzantine, or turkish? Anyway it was very pretty |
Turkish, but it really depends on how you see it - the Turkish architecture was heavily influenced by the Roman. St Sofia is completely Roman (not a mix, though Turks added the minarets) and in much it served as a model for Suleimaniye as well as the Blue mosque posted above.
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Posted: 12-Feb-2005 at 07:51 |
Like I said, I don't think stave churches look Chinese, but I found the stave churches have some resemblance with Thai temples. I now found a pretty good picture to illustrate my point:
However, stave churches are, as mentioned, completely native, I think this is like pyramids: they look alike but they're just built by different people with the same intentions. It's an effective construction to begin with, and the ornaments on the rooftips are probably to fend off evil spirits. At least that's my bet
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Posted: 12-Feb-2005 at 10:42 |
Like I said, I don't think stave churches look Chinese, but I found the stave churches have some resemblance with Thai temples. |
But Thai temples look Chinese, don't they?
Turkish, but it really depends on how you see it - the Turkish architecture was heavily influenced by the Roman. St Sofia is completely Roman (not a mix, though Turks added the minarets) and in much it served as a model for Suleimaniye as well as the Blue mosque posted above. |
About stave church, it also really depends on how you see it, when I say they look Chinese, it doesn't mean that some Chinse came there and built those churches, but I mean it is just possibe that they have been inspired by eastern Architecture.
In their homeland in Central Asia, Turks lived in dome-like tents appropriate to their natural surroundings, and they were nomads. These tents later influenced Turkish architecture and ornamental arts. The architecture of medreses, mosques and other Islamic buildings changed in Islamic world. |
I agree but just about Turbes not Mosques and Madrasas, Persians and Romans had built Domes earlier than building tents by Turks!
Trbe (Turkish: "tomb-tower"), Persian GONBAD, form of mausoleum architecture developed by and popular among the Seljuq Turks in Iran (mid-11th to 13th century) and later carried by them into Iraq and Anatolia.
Mausoleum of Safi od-Din, founder of Safavid dynasty:
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Posted: 12-Feb-2005 at 10:52 |
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
About stave church, it also really depends on how you see it, when I say they look Chinese, it doesn't mean that some Chinse came there and built those churches, but I mean it is just possibe that they have been inspired by eastern Architecture. |
I can't follow your line of thought. The stave churches had absolutely nothing to with Chinese architecture (no, there is no chance whatsoever they were inspired by eastern architecture), whereas the Ottoman mosques were inspired by the Hagia Sofia, and had many Roman architectoral elements in them.
edit: that's what I meant: The mosques are of course Turkish, but they do contain some Roman architecte directly inherited from them.
I agree but just about Turbes not Mosques and Madrasas, Persians and Romans had built Domes earlier than building tents by Turks! |
That's correct, the Turks got the domes from the people they conquered.
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Posted: 13-Feb-2005 at 10:53 |
Originally posted by Styrbiorn
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
About stave church, it also really depends on how you see it, when I say they look Chinese, it doesn't mean that some Chinse came there and built those churches, but I mean it is just possibe that they have been inspired by eastern Architecture. | I can't follow your line of thought. The stave churches had absolutely nothing to with Chinese architecture (no, there is no chance whatsoever they were inspired by eastern architecture), whereas the Ottoman mosques were inspired by the Hagia Sofia, and had many Roman architectoral elements in them. edit: that's what I meant: The mosques are of course Turkish, but they do contain some Roman architecte directly inherited from them.
I agree but just about Turbes not Mosques and Madrasas, Persians and Romans had built Domes earlier than building tents by Turks! | That's correct, the Turks got the domes from the people they conquered. |
No. Turks had domelike tents since ancient times of nomadic lifestyle...
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Posted: 13-Feb-2005 at 10:59 |
There is a major difference between dome-like tents and domes, a technology the Turks got from either the Persians or Romans.
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Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 00:35 |
the stavechurches were built before the mongols came to europe.
And they themselves never came to Norway. |
I think it was a joke and you didn't quite get it. The mongols were nomads, they didn't have any form of architecture.
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Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 08:38 |
I have collected a few examples of Turkish architecture from modern and old ones.
Topkapi Palace. Sultans residence in Sarayburnu.
Topkapi Palace
Topkapi again
Dolmabahce Palace: There was two palace for sultans in Istanbul. First one is Topkapi Palace and later they moved to Dolmabahce Palace until the end of the empire.
Dolmabahce Palace
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Dolmabahce Palace
Dolmabahce Palace
Kuleli Military Lycee
Palace of Beylerbeyi
Beylerbeyi
Beylerbeyi
Feriye Kosku
Marmara University
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Kucuksu Kasri
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Kucuksu Kasri
Ihlamur Kasri
Sari Kosk
Some old buildings from Istanbul
Mehmet the Conquerors tomb
Modern Turkish architecture: Yeditepe University.
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Posted: 24-Feb-2005 at 15:04 |
Here in little ole Spokane we have a lot of neo classical or Greek Revival style architecutre plus...
Spokane county courthouse
the Spokesman Review building
http://www.stjohns-cathedral.org/images/visitors1_2.jpg
St John's church Catholic
http://www.inlandtour.debut.net/south-hill/stjohns.jpg?aol
St. Johns Episcopal church in Spokane,
River front park- Expo 1974 site and courthouse
http://www.spokaneoutdoors.com/images/cutter06.jpg
Campbell house
Masonic Temple
http://www.masonrypromotion.com/gallery/spokane-club-sm.jpg
Spokane Club
Old Carnegie Library -neo classical
http://www.masonrypromotion.com/gallery/gonzaga-admin.jpg
Gonzaga University Catholic
Greek Orthodox Church
view of downtown Spokane- I live in a nearby town called Cheney
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Posted: 25-Feb-2005 at 03:53 |
Originally posted by Oguzoglu
Sultan Ahmet Mosque (Blue Mosque) in Istanbul |
Wasn't that previously not a mosque?
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Posted: 25-Feb-2005 at 04:48 |
Originally posted by Atourian
Originally posted by Oguzoglu
Sultan Ahmet Mosque (Blue Mosque) in Istanbul |
Wasn't that previously not a mosque?
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It's a mosque all right, your thinking of the St/Hagia Sophia - which is a museum nowadays.
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Posted: 25-Feb-2005 at 17:07 |
I'll try again
Sofia
National Theatre
Ministry of Agriculture and Forests
The statue of St. Sofia, one of Parlament buildings, Ministerial council
Patriarchal cathedral St. Alexandar Nevski
One of Buildings on Goverment
House in Bulgarian style - in Plovdiv
Glojen's Monastery - St. George Victor
Monastery Sedem prestola - Seven thrones
Rila monastery
Pazardjik's old post
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Posted: 25-Feb-2005 at 22:07 |
Fact - Mimar Sinan, the famous architect that designed many of the Mosques in Istanbul, was an Armenian. It is even proven in the Ottoman archives.
There was also Sarkis Balyan, who built the Dolmabahce palace.
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