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    Posted: 11-Jul-2006 at 15:42
Im no scientist, but unless a land with peoples who have been unencountered for centuries, possibly millenia, I cannot truly believe ESPECIALLY in the cases of France and even moreso Anatolia, which are center travel routes since the beginning of times, thered be such a striking genetic marking that is "only" amoungst a certain group of peoples.
Nonetheless, I am always curious of the "unexplained".
Fortunately thanks to modern technology and science, there can be better explanation in which Id like to attest.
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But the problem is nobody wants to research this trait cause it only will get trouble, especially in a country like turkey where different ethnicities live, but if you think logical then you come to the same conlusion as me.
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I dont know what this "bump" is offhand. Ive only heard of it until now on this forum subject. However, the same can be said for people who have "curly hair" or "slanted eyes" and so fourth. If infact there is this pronounced feature, I have no doubt whatsoever that it would demand some kind of scientific study or at the least worthy of mentioning (on a universal level).
 
My conclusion: If there is a "bump" amoungst Asian peoples (which happen to be those of Turks), it will be found on other peoples as well because there are NO pure race of peoples.
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Good , you have come to the same conclusion as meWink
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jul-2006 at 08:27
Originally posted by Afsar Beghi

1) Not all people in turkey are mixed (at high rates)2) Its a turkic trait because the people who have it , have one thing in common and thats their turkic ancestry.And for your information all my ancestors are turkicWhen the Huns did move to that valley didnt they mix on the way you think? Your point makes no sense

    Afsar Beghi, if all your ancestors are Turkic, you must look like as somebody from Central Asia (Kazakh, Turkmen Kyrgiz etc.) withmongoloid phenotype, is that the case?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jul-2006 at 08:29
And btw, I have the bump
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stop there kardukhi, I mean only the male ancestors , and I have more similarities with the turkmen in Irak than with kazakhs etc.

And Btw why are you attacking me , cant you take it ?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jul-2006 at 08:40
afsar beghi, I don't mean to attack you. Why would I? I was just curious.

To find out more about your male ancestry, try to make Y-DNA test at National Geographic's Genographic project, or at Family Tree DNA www.ftdna.com

p.s. but you should aknowledge that proto-Turks would look like more as Turkmens than modern day Turks. Don't you agree?
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Posts: 341 		  Quote Afsar Beghi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jul-2006 at 13:42
my friend , I am certain of my roots and dont want to wast my money on such tests, I have got a family tree of 12 generations.

I agree with you about the proto-turks because Kazaks , uzbeks and so on mixed too much with the mongols, many of my family members got high cheekbones and other mongoloid characteristics but we have no mongoloid appearance.


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jul-2006 at 12:08
I do not insist, but just a remark: 12 generations is only around 300 years and if we want to trace our deep ancestry we can't avoid deep DNA tests. Without this kind of test I can't beliebe anybody's claim belonging to any group or ethnicity. In your case for example your direct paternal ancestor could be anybody: Turk, Persian, Kurdish, Arab, Mongol, Georgian, Laz, Armenian, Assyrian etc. I don't mean to offend you or something, I just want to make it clear that without careful scientific testing our assumptions could be wrong.
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Smileyoure thinking wright but I am from the Halep Deliler Afsari stock, there could be a Persian, Kurdish, Arab, Mongol, Georgian, Laz, Armenian, Assyrian influence but than its from a female, cause the Afshar did not have non-turkish males (maybe some persian). The brides they gave away were not members of the tribe. So I have no doubt. But that DNA test is too expensive and it is not that accurate. You know what first you do a DNA test, and if you like the results I am going to take one tooWink
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Originally posted by Afsar Beghi

Smileyoure thinking wright but I am from the Halep Deliler Afsari stock, there could be a Persian, Kurdish, Arab, Mongol, Georgian, Laz, Armenian, Assyrian influence but than its from a female, cause the Afshar did not have non-turkish males (maybe some persian). The brides they gave away were not members of the tribe. So I have no doubt. But that DNA test is too expensive and it is not that accurate. You know what first you do a DNA test, and if you like the results I am going to take one tooWink
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kardes , I am from Kayseri, that says enough LOL (ancak enayiler oder o parayi)
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Originally posted by Afsar Beghi

kardes , I am from Kayseri, that says enough LOL (ancak enayiler oder o parayi)
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jul-2006 at 14:13
Originally posted by Afsar Beghi

youre thinking wright but I am from the Halep Deliler Afsari stock, there could be a Persian, Kurdish, Arab, Mongol, Georgian, Laz, Armenian, Assyrian influence but than its from a female, cause the Afshar did not have non-turkish males (maybe some persian). The brides they gave away were not members of the tribe. So I have no doubt. But that DNA test is too expensive and it is not that accurate. You know what first you do a DNA test, and if you like the results I am going to take one too

   
Very fascinating, Afshari! I'm sure your DNA data will be very interesting for National Geographic!
Well, as a matter of fact, I have already done the dna test, which proved that my direct paternal line lived in the Caucasus for at least 23000 years. So, if Anatolian bump is indeed Turkic sign, I should have gotten it from some female side:):)
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I want to take the test , but it is not so accurate ( I mean that there are no details) , they only tell if you have asian or european genes. If they would give more details I will take the test. And the Bump can be a thing of every ethnic group, they did not much research about it so its hard to tell that it belongs only to turkic people.
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just take the damn test or are you chickenBig smile
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How accurate is this DNA testing anyway? For some reason I am having doubts...
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Mamikon you are just like me , I also dont trust it and think its a easy way to earn money , cause its not that accurate and reliable
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