History of the Devil

    In western society we believe in two things. Good and Evil. God commands heaven. and the Devil commands hell. We know that Lucifer (the Devil) was one of God's favorites. And that he got caught up on his Hubris and decided that God's time has come. He believed it was his time to take over the Kingdom of Heaven. With 1/3 of Heaven's angels he declared war on God. I forgot the name of the angel (i think it was michael) who was the leader of God's angels and defeated Lucifer. .

-------------Thus Lucifer was casted down into hell along with all of his followers (thus known as the fallen angels) Here Lucifer ever dilegently tries to do anything to hinder God. That is where "Humanity" comes in. Here Lucifer will mess with God by tempting humanity into doing his bidding. THus all who have failed God's wishes are sent to hell to be enslaved and burn for eternity.


-----But who created the real concept of the devil?----


Inspiration for the Devil have actually come from very ancient religions. Trolls, Goblins, and deamons from other religions can be considered the ancestors of the devil. From Chinese, Persian myth. To Egyptian lore like Anubis..the keeper of the underworld.

How can you declear war on God?


Edited by Omar al Hashim - 16-Jun-2006 at 02:31

Very interesting that you have brought up "the snake" flyingzone. Actually in the old testament there has been very little reference to the devil. He only appears really in the "Book of Revelations." But when the Catholic church was growing, they needed to scare people so they can obtain almost absolute power. Thus the candidate for this was "the devil." The church looked at many ancient texts to find evidence of the devil here and there, and use this to fuel their propoganda to scare everyone into following the one and only Church

-------Now the snake is one example. In true belief, the ancients who wrote the snake that tricked Adam and Eve was actually..."just a snake." But the Church saw the snake as the devil himself. They said that the devil will take any form to impose his will and dominance in humanity. Thus they have stated that the first time the devil has ever appeared was in the form of the snake of Adam and Eve

----You might say that the devil's best supporter back in medieval times is actually the Church! Kinda weird no?

People firstly have to stop approaching this from a evolution is prooven view, people do this with monotheism topic too: people are already biased by assuming that monotheism/devil d/evolved. What if Judaeo-Xtianity is true? that would considerably change the picture.

Your question is deeper than one may realise. The real issue is the origin and development of dualism. But even dualism as a label has become sterotypical/loaded: "Xtianity is dualism".

So with the question what are origins of devil or monotheism we have to approach it HOLISTICALLY. If Judaeo-Xtianity is true then God is Holistic/In and Devil/sinners/fallen are dualistic/out.

I am still trying off and on to write my magnum opus which does deal with these issues/questions and am reluctant to give too much away. But one of my discoveries is that the bible and mythology are about a dualistic and dialectic interaction thruout time (historical and prophectic). Thruout the bible there continually recur types of 2 dualistic lineages: (seed of) Woman v (seed of) Serpent, Adam v Serpent, Adam v Eve, Adam v Enosh, 8th day man v 6th day man, Abel v Cain, Seth v Cain, angel v demon, god v devil, Shem v Japet, YHWH v Elohim, tree life v tree knowl, Jacob v Esau, Abram v Lot, Isaac v Ishmael, Judah v Israel, Ephraim v Manasseh, sons Light v sons Darkness, Jesus v John, John v synoptic, Paul v James, David v Saul, etc. Of course some of these are only types of dualistic but are really/also dialectic. These 2 lines also appear all thru other mythologies like (note some of these are dualisms but others are dialectic/antidual):

Horus (race) - Set (race);
Osiris - Set;
crook - flail;
Set - Apophis;
Lower Egypt - Upper Egypt;
Dua - Sef;
Geb - Nut;
Shu - Tefnut;
Osiris - Isis;
Ra/Re - Atum/Amon;
Shem - Ham;
Nun - Naunet;
black - red;
Isis - Set;
Uraeus - Apophis;
Amaterasu - Susano;
Izanagi - Izanami;
In - Yo;
Chrysanthemum - Dragon;
Romulus - Remus;
Mars - Venus;
Castor - Pollux;
Bielobog - Chernobog;
Younger Bogatyr - Elder Bogatyr;
Mawu - Lisa;
Obatala - Odudua;
Yin - Yang;
Fu Hsi - Nu Kwa;
Shen - Kwei;
Taoism - Confucianism;
Persia - Media;
Ashavan - Drugvan;
Mithra - Gosh/Taurus;
Vohu Manah - Akah Manah;
Tishtriya - Apaosha;
Arya - Turia;
Ahura/Amesha Spentas - Devas;
Ahura Mazda/Ohrmuzd - Angra Mainyu/Ahriman;
Apsu - Tiamat;
An - Ki;
Igigi - Anunaki;
Marduk - Tiamat;
Ea - Apsu;
Bel - Dragon;
Ea/Enki - Enlil;
Sumer - Akkad;
Euphrates - Tigris;
Sarku - Admu;
Adapa - Shutu;
Babylon - Assyria;
Gilgamesh/Izdubar - Enkidu/Eabani;
Ara the Fair - Bel;
Mediterranean - Persain Gulf;
Baal - Mot;
Aleion - Mot;
Mot - Leviathan;
Baal - El;
Khoser - Hasis;
Elim - Elohim;
Baal - Yamm;
Sachar - Salem;
Allah - Allat;
Arthur - Mordred;
Merlin/Lady of the Lake - Mab;
Lug - Balor;
TDD - Fomor;
Gawain - Lancelot;
Diarmaid - Grianni;
Tristan - Iseult;
Gog - Magog;
Gawain - Green Knight;
Catholic/Ireland - Protestant/England;
Lleu - Dylan;
George - Dragon;
Dr Who - Master;
Blake - T...;
Sherlock Holmes - Moriarty;
Luke - Han;
Luke/Yoda - Vader/Emperor;
Rebel - Empire;
Mason - Xtian;
D Got - D Gott;
Aryan - Jew;
George - Dragon;
Gods - Dark;
Vili - Ve;
Ask - Embla
Odin - Fenrir;
Thor - Midgradsorm/Jormungard;
Frey - Surt;
Tyr - Garm;
Vidar - Fenrir;
Heimdall - Loki;
Lif - Lifthrasir;
Vidar - Vali;
Baldr - Hoder/Loki;
Liosalf - Svartalf;
Thor - Etins;
Aesir - Vanir;
Frey - Freya;
Rob Hood - K Arthur;
RH - Sheriff Notts/Guy Gisbourne;
Welfs - Ghibbelines;
Lancaster - York;
centrifugal - centripetal;
Xiu - Itza;
white Manitou - black Manitou;
quetzal/feather - coatl/serpent;
sons of light - giants deprived of light;
beauty - ugly/cruel;
Tawiscara - Ioskeha;
Hahgewhdiyu - Hahgwehdaetgah;
Tawenduare - Arikute;
Dionysian - Apollonian;
Achilles - Hector;
Athens - Sparta;
Athens - Atlantis;
hot - cold spring;
Mykenae - Troy;
spirit/soul - body;
Zeus - Kronos;
Olympians - Titans;
gods - ...;
Epicurean - Stoic;
Zeus - Theran;
Zeus - Typhon;
Plato/Pythagoras - Aristotle;
Uranus - Gaia;
Apollo - Artemis;
Prometheus - Epimetheus;
Hellene - Pelasgian;
Hermes - Aphrodite;
Cupid - Psyche;
Apollo - Python;
Buddha - Mara;
Krishna - Kalyia;
India - Pakistan;
Pandavas - Kauravas;
Deva - Asura;
rupa - arupa;
Arya - Dasyu/Dravidian;
sat - asat;
Mitra - Varuna;
Krishna - Arjuna;
Surya - Chandra;
Hinayana/Ther... - Mahayana;
Brahman - Kshatriya;
Yama - Yami;
Shiva - Shakti;
Siva/Hara - Visnu/Hari;
Krishna - Balarama;
Yab - Yum;
Brahman - Abrahm;
Kama - Mara;
Vasishtha - Viswamitra;
Indra - V.../B...;
Satya - Kali;
Yoni - Linga;
Brahman - Atman;
jewel - lotus;
Adam - Enosh
Tree Life - Tree Knowledge
Abel - Cain
Seth - Cain
sons God - daughters of men
Eden - Nod
angel - demon
God/YHWH - Devil/Satan
Shem - Japheth
Yhwh - El
8th day man - 6th day man
Adam - Eve
Eve - Lilith
Moses - Aaron
Abram - Lot
Isaac - Ishmael
Israel/Jacob - Esau/Edom
Moab - Ammon
Ephraim - Manasseh
Rehoboam - Jeroboam
Judah - Israel
Adam - Serpent
cupbearer - baker
Lucifer - Satan
sons of light - sons of darkness
Mosaic - Obic
David - Saul
donkey - pig
ears - eyes
Jubal - Jabal
Christ - Jesus
spirit/soul - body/flesh
3 - 1
Jn - synoptic
NT - OT
Paul - James
Jesus - John
Setian - Ophite
Shia - Sunni
Protestant - Catholic
Arminian - Calvinist
Fundamentalist - Modernist
(seed) woman - (seed) serpent
evil spirit - demon
Gibborim - Nephilim
Jerusalem - Babylon
False Prophet - Anti-Christ
Peleg - Joktan
Heaven - Hell
Heaven - Earth
Adah - Zillah
good - evil
Asshur - Nimrod
Magog - Gog
Pharisees - Saducees
Saturday - Sunday
wine/fish - bread/loaves
Michael - Apollyon
Michael - Lucifer
Jew - Gentile
Behemoth - Leviathan
Paul - Peter
James - Jude
Lazarus - Dives
[wheat] - tares
sheep - goats
rock - sand
Abe's bosom - hell
Abrahm - Brahm
Jew - Arab
Church/Xtian - Jew/Israel
(son of) God - (son of) man
wise - fool
love - lust
free - slave
Father - Son
Eve - animals
Zion - Sion
David - Solomon
Mordechai - Haman
church - family
Melchizedek - Levite
10 comms - ceremonial law
Paul - Saul
Benjamin - Benoni
Israel - Jacob
Rachel - Leah
Abraham - Abram
Samson - Delilah
Sarah - Hagar
Shem - Ham
Noah - [Nor/Nir]
Joshua - Caleb
right - left
Mary - Joseph
morning - evening
Jesus - Lucifer
cross - rose
lamb - dragon
white -black
wonderful - fearful
west-east

2:- pillars H, rivers, springs, trees Eden, seas, lands Egypt, heavens, hemispheres, eyes, cherubim ark, twins, tablets commandments?, moons Mars, edged sword, wheels, horns, beasts Rev, cities, banks river, grtest commandments, kings Sparta, consuls Rome, days wkend, months (J,F), pairs Titans, tribes Judah, witnesses, mtn(peak)s, wings, faces Janus, faces/sides moon, semesters/seasons (Israel), letters alpha-bet, feet/biped, Asvins, cross, Venus/Lucifer, binary, dioskouri, fingers, Corinthians, animals ark, wives, pyramids, Ursa.

Basically, it can be summed up as IN vs OUT which are combination of religous, racial, etc. What is also evident is that the pagan 2 lines are inverse to the biblical/Jud-Xt 2 lines which matches the non-/anti-Xtian view that Xtianity is dualism. This is also illustrated by various writers inversing the 2 lines in the bible like favouring 6th day man/elohim over 8th day man/yhwh (There are however people like BIs who mix up/switch between the pagan and xtian sides of the 2 lines.)
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Aside from all that I detect another question in your post/s about the origin of the names Satan and Devil.  This is a more fun and interesting question. Some say Devil = Diabolus (Eblis?), others say Deva (also cp ONA on origin word 'evil'). Some say Satan/Shaitan is Set(-Hen) others Titan or Sat-Tan.

Apparently Satan does appear very early on in the Hebrew religion, but as a servant, rather than an opponent, of the Hebrew god. For instance in Job, when God judges man, Satan acts as a sort of prosecutor, testing man and accusing him before God, claiming that the man is only loyal because God makes him prosperous, and if that is removed by various hardships his loyalty would vanish.

Alot of things added on after that are of a clearly pagan origin. "Lucifer", the Light-Bearer, cast out by god, rings of Prometheus; the horns resemble various bull-headed deities such as Cerumnos; the trident, possibly Poseidon. Much of this probably stems from the desire of post-Alexandrian Jewish culture and its Christian offspring to demonize Greco-Roman culture and religion.

First, I have barely a clue of what is going on here!

Second, to Paul's addition, I have heard that many times. What exactly is God's will? He allows, in His power, i.e. Lucifer, CHOICE! If what Lucifer and the rest of us by our given power of CHOICE was God's will then either free will/choice would not exist as pictured because sin would be God's own will, OR God gave us choice to do what we wish.

One is hearsay and one is logical.

Yes there is said to be a similarity between Prometheus/Ea/etc and Satan vs Zeus/Enlil/etc and YHWH. This illustrates the inversing of 2 lines in bible I talked about above.
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I had an interesting thought other day: In many myths flood causer and flood saviour are 2 diff gods, but in bible God was both flood sender and saved Noah/family.


Edited by Arthur-Robin - 16-Jun-2006 at 15:29

The story of devil in zoroastrian avesta.

Well - in my world,  life between humans is much simpler.

what I don't get how could people believe in that betting stuff isn't God allknowing and all seeing