Children Market in India

I don't know for India, but unfortunately you can find similar cases throughout Europe. Poor or misfits couples are selling children by internet or by corrupted health care servants to couples that can't have babies. It's pretty sad. 

Originally posted by Rajput   Getting back to the Indian issue..for starters I think India should stop giving crores of rupees of 'humanitarian aid' to nepal and redirect it toward these children.  The two main root causes regarding the issue raised by Gharanai are Muslim fanaticism and Brahmanism.    The former are relentlessly out to make India a hell hole and to wipe out whatever tourism is left (leaving the poor people w/o job or food).    The latter have mutated to the extent where they are pretty much monopolizing control over the Indian government, media, armed forces and as well as the economy.    PS.  Lets not forget the horny arab sheikhs, whose lust is fullfilled by mullah pimps in india selling them muslim women...its not only cows they export to arabia you know...

Originally posted by Gharanai Any how I also agree with you about the Arab Sheikhs' lust but Mullah's as a pimp was a new news so thanks for that I have always said that non of the religions in India is practice as it asked of them.

It is really sad to see the images of the children. I think there are couple of main problems with respect to India.

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim I think India should stop giving crores of rupees of 'humanitarian aid' You'll probably find that the aid money is actually used to ensure India's interests in Nepal. I mean, imagine if only the chinese were giving aid. The Maoists would probably be in power tomorrow.

The moaists arnt to fond of the current Chinese government either. But yes you are correct, its really to "buy" Nepalese loyalty back.

Originally posted by malizai_ It is really sad to see the images of the children. I think there are couple of main problems with respect to India.   One, is the class system. Second, the number of people living below the poverty line. A little more than 300, 000 000 people. Same as the whole of united states and Canada. Third is gendercide, with the importance on a woman bearing a son rather than a daughter leading to female infanticide.   The Indian govt needs to put money into curbing these problems and practices.

Actually it's just over 250,000,000 and declining in the millions every year, but really same thing isnt it.

The caste system historically was not a problem, it was ultra specialisation and you could be promoted/demoted. It only really prevails now in poor communities.

Killing females i also believe to be on decline, but like the above, such things thrive in poverty.

There are 250 million people under thepoverty line in India, that means 750 million who arnt. But then again there is a futher 300 million who live on between $1 to $2. The remaining 400 million's lives are fine (also larger than the population of USA and Canada).

Such things will end as people get richer, but dammit it could happen a whole lot faster

Gharanai

The caste system is wrong, outdated and simply ridiculous.

Originally posted by Gharani killing of children before there birth

Isnt that similar to abortion?

The poverty of the Indian population can only be blamed on the government. Children selling themselves is what happens when instead of helping out the poor the government invests in nuclear weapons. With such a huge workforce you would think India should have been out of its current status a while ago.

Isnt there some kind of police that monitors selling of women/children to foreigners? or selling altogether!!

I think mainstream global media is also at a great fault here, instead of showing the USA and India shake hands over a gold laden table it should spread information/pictures/movies about the lives of those children; now I would like so see Bhairon Singh Shekhawat smile that they have enriched a kilogram more of plutonium.

I have never seen children selling themsleves in Eastern European countries Rajput; although I have seen a documentary about Russian kids living in "basements" of Russian cities, "affectionately" called the "Underground Children" by the populace ... by the way, this is a very informative thread, great job Gharanai


Edited by mamikon - 12-Jun-2006 at 20:53

Originally posted by mamikon The caste system is wrong, outdated and simply ridiculous.

2 out of 3

outdated - yes
wrong - yes
simply ridiculous - definatly not.

How is it any different to the Class systems that existed in Europe?

Originally posted by mamikon Two Indias? no Its one India, where 90% of the pop is barely able to survive. Dont get me wrong, I am not blaming the people, but the government.

Facts and Figures? I already stated mine which i can back up.

1) 250 million under poverty line - reducing by millions evry year

note: poverty line = <$1 a day

2) Another 300 million between $1-$2 - These people were once poor but are slowly getting richer. When time allows it, they become middle class

3) Our Middle Classes and Upper Classes = 400 million These people's lives are fine. 100 million of these live lives comparable to America and the UK, but the other 300 million dont have it bad. Also, this group is also  is growing by the millions.

India today is much different to the one of the 80's, when the majority of world text books were written about it.

Originally posted by mamikon 7.5% less than one dollar? where did u get this? America is the land of opportunity. Some poor people here are poor mostly because they are too lazy to get a job.

Population below poverty line:	12% (2004 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

Apologies, it wasn't 7% (that is the UK i think), USA has 12% of its population of 250million living on less then $1 a day. 30 million in the Land of the free and the Land of oppertunity.

Originally posted by mamikon I do not understand. We are all born equal.

Oh by all means we are. But you forget, the caste system was invented thousands of years ago. The idea was to improve the economy. This meant that skills could be perfected and advanced and then passed on in which the son carries on perfecting those skills.

It wasn't stupid then, because similar tihngs were followed world wide. If you were born a duke the chances were you died a duke. If you were born a prince you die a prince.

But it wasn't set in stone back then. You could happily move if you proved yourself worthy. Candragupta Maurya, the founder of the Mauryan Empire, was of a low caste, but it didnt stop him becoming a warrior, and then an Emporer. If needed merchants who proved themselves could move up into warrior castes. Brahmins who disgraced themselves could move straight down to lower castes.

The problem is that these days  you get poor people (in group one stated above)  who feel that because they are of a higher caste they are better than lower castes, so they stopped this promotion stuff because it maintainted their power over other people.They'll refuse to eat or touch anyone of a poorer caste, but as i agreed with you, it is just plain stupid and outdated.

In the city people tend to follow a Class system, like upper middle class lower middle class etc.

But as i said, such things are on the decline. In the cities you have untouchables and other lower castes moving up the social and financial hierachy.

Originally posted by mamikon I am not blaming the people, but the government.

I agree with you on this. It is the government's fault the shape of my country at the moment. They focussed solely on social issues through the 60s-80s and hence stopped us growing.


Edited by Anujkhamar - 13-Jun-2006 at 06:16

OK there is no point quoting that entire article, so here is a few problems:

1) The use of "most hindu's"

As i stated in my above post, you'll find the majority of Hindu's couldn't give a crap. Infact, the only people you'll find in cities who actually care about caste are Brahmins, because it makes them feel bigger.


2) the woman above

Are you telling me, that she wouldnt recieve a life sentence in the USA? Ok what happened to her was barbaric


"In general, Dalits are not allowed to sit at bus stops; they have to stand and wait until dominant caste people have entered onto the buses. Dalits are also not allowed to sit on the bus seats, even if they are vacant. "

I don't know where that has come from, i have never seen it ever, and i have been on plenty of Indian busses in my time


Edited by Anujkhamar - 13-Jun-2006 at 08:27