Should turkey be allowed into the EU?

Originally posted by bg_turk The key word that you are missing is "transitional".

I'm not missing any word. I now very well what I quoted.

These limitations on residency will be only temporary and they will extend no further than 19 years after reunification or Turkish membership (whichever is earlier), and will not be permament derogations as Leonidas seemed to impy.

20 years (!) after reunification. Makes you wonder what kind of reunification it is... future reunification...

Such temporary limitations exist for other EU citizens such as those in Poland and their right to reside in the EU for instance

EU is a union of sovereign States. Cyprus is one (1) State, so it's not the same thing.

and it is only natural that they exist since each constitutent state of United Cyprus will need time to deal with the massive population movement that will occur as a result of unification.

There could be some short-term limitations in order for the unification to go smoothly, I don't disagree, but only 40-50,000 GC are allowed to move in a 19 years time span??? Please...

By the way I too hope that the negotiations with the EU will continue ... but it looks increasingly likely that Southern Cyprus will derail (that there will be a Cyprus Train Crash as Baroso says).

Baroso can say whatever he wants. I'm missing Prodi already anyways...

I hope you are right that the negotations will continue but do not expect Turkey to compromise further on Cyprus

If Turkey is not going to compromise further on Cyprus (sic), then I may have to change my statement; sooner or later the negotiations will be suspended.

A golden opportunity for reunification was missed.

Indeed. If only the Plan makers where a bit more carefull we would have a unified Cyprus now.

It was a take it or leave it kind of opportunity, which Greek Cypriots chose to reject in the hope of getting a much better deal with EU help but they might as well get nothing in return now. Partition is more likely than ever.

I've told you again, untill a few years ago the Turkish position was that the problem in Cyprus is solved, i.e. defacto partition.  Today Turkey recognises that there is a problem, so partition is less likely than in the past.


Edited by Neoptolemos - 10-Jun-2006 at 23:16

Originally posted by Bulldog Blame? don't you like being Australlian? if you do I think that'll be "thank the Brittish", now why don't you return the favour and allow others to settle in that huge continant in the same way you did a hundred or so years ago Your Australlian why does it bother you if Turkey enters the EU or not?

Originally posted by Leonidas Originally posted by machine Leonidas im not sure what your problem is. If your beloved Greece was taking in hordes of immigrants im sure you would not be too happy about that. Just imagine Athens being like Sydney, would that make you happy??    i dont "love" greece BTW. I'm proud of being greek and see other greeks wherever they are from as my own, thats different to loving a country i dont even live in. How is it that I who's own ethnicity has a bloody and long history with the islamic world ( losing real family ancestors) have no problems with muslims today, yet you get all xenophobic about them? athens/greece is full of immigrants, many are muslim. The fact your even comparing greeks in greece with anglo-celts to australia, is a bit rich ... Originally posted by bg_turk Let's hope Athens will never have to experience something like this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news_web/video/9012da68002e708/nb/09012da68002e9d4_16x9_nb.asx your quick

Edited by machine - 11-Jun-2006 at 03:02

Unless we all want another Iran


Well said, I totally agree on the future importance of such a friendship between Europe and Turkey, hopefully more in Europe will come to see it too.
I also think the Cypruss issue is totally ridiculous. Nobody but Turkey and Greece give a D@#M about Cypruss, it's obvious that it is being used by others in Europe and a slowing technique to stagnate turkish entrance.

Your right about needing the Turks in the future, not just for energy, but also being one of the most stable democracies in the region(i couldn;t think of one besides Israel which is more so) and therefore a natural ally.

As for people worried about the flood of turkish migrants after they enter the EU, i think thats ridiculous. Whether you like it or not, Europe is going to continue to recieve a growing number of immigrants(Africa,middle-east, indian sub-contient, Russia/Ukraine), it's unstoppable and the entrance of Turkey is likely to have only a minor effect on this.

Iran i'm not worried about at all, I think this nuclear issue is being blown way out of proportion by Europe and the States. They are always critisiing Iran for human rights violations etc....when Saudi Arabia(one of the worst human rights violaters in the world) is one of Americas closest ally. Also shouldn't we be looking at North Korea instead of Iran, in my eyes they pose a much bigger threat.

Cheers to being Irish!

Machine, just wondering, where abouts do you live?

Europe and Australia have to accept migrants, its not a matter of choice. We both have declining birth rates and the effect of rejecting migrants is population decline and economic stagnation.

haha..i saw your post before you edited it

Originally posted by Digenis Turkey is simply NOT Europe.

What is Europe?
    

i am not a fan eu.

Originally posted by barish Originally posted by Digenis Turkey is simply NOT Europe. What is Europe?

Definitions of Europe:
-the Caroligian Empire
-Christian Europe
-West of the Urals and North of the mediterrainian

Eastern Europe:
-The area conqurered by either Turkey or Russia

I actually think that Europe is an area that is bounded by Turkey and Russia. They define the boundaries of Europe. However if Cyprus is in Europe then Turkey definietly is. Even Lebanon should be in Europe if Cyprus is.