QuoteReplyTopic: Table of Nations (Genesis 10) Posted: 20-Jun-2006 at 04:27
Originally posted by Arthur
Remember Dead Sea Scroll of Isaiah almost identical to modern reading of text.
As far as I know (which isn't very much) they date from 200BC and are only the old testament. I have not heard anyone claim that there have been any major modification of the OT since then.
Genesis says 2 of unclean and 7 of clean so no contradiction.
Genesis, 6:19 And of every living thing of flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee: they shall be male and female.
Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take of thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of the beast that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Thats a condradiction. You can't have two of the every sort AND seven of the clean sort.
I had not heard of 150 yrs version can you point me to where I can find out more?
Sorry he said 150 days. But actually after a read of Genesis 6-10, its not as clear cut as that. One part says 40 days of rain then 7days of this and 7 of that. Another says total 150days. I want to have a closer look and do the maths to see if these two actually agree. It may not be a contradiction at all.
The author who said it is: Maurice Bucaille, the Bible the Quran and Science c1978 North American Trust Publication
But as I said to Sharrukin there is no problem because I agree there were other lesser large scale catastrophes which were combined with Noachian flood thus explaining both the similarities (in minor details) and the differences (also due to corruption).
Remember that it is quite possible that the biblical version has been corrupted. Maurice Bucaille says that there are two different accounts of the flood inter-twined in the bible. Written at different times.
What are my reasons for believing global flood. What are your reasons for not believing global flood?
I believe in the flood simply because the Qur'an has never been wrong before. Whether it was local or global is not stated, it could be either. Currently I believe what archeology has shown- that there was a big flood in the Armenia Kurdistan region in 10000BC. This could be the flood. But not necessarily.
The 2 or 7 will only be an apparent minor contradiction I guarantee there will be an explanation in the original language text. For example perhaps 2 of each kind means gender.
Yes it is possible the bible could be corrupt but that leads to the bigger question of whether Juddaeo-Xtianity is true or not. If it is true then the original language version can't be corrupt.
I personally don't believe the documentary hypothesis that Genesis is comb of J and E, but I believe Moses wrote the original Genesis as Jesus said he did.
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Sharrukin: do you know of any "alternative" (creationist, "nationalist" (not stormfront)) forums since all the forums I have tried so far are mainly atheists, evolutionists, sceptics etc and I need/want to find people that not only always disagree but sometimes also agree? (I got expelled from stirpes forum for a stupid unfair reason.)
Edited by Arthur-Robin - 22-Jun-2006 at 22:16
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The 2 or 7 will only be an apparent minor contradiction I
guarantee there will be an explanation in the original language text.
For example perhaps 2 of each kind means gender.
Yes it is possible the bible could be corrupt but that leads to the
bigger question of whether Juddaeo-Xtianity is true or not. If it is
true then the original language version can't be corrupt.
Well, yes, thats rather the point of Islam. That Judaism and Chrisitian
scriptures have been corrupted, thus God reissued the original version.
But anyway, my point was that the bibles that we have today (which are
not the original language version), are not necessarily perfect. They
have been transmitted to us by people who did not understand the
content of what they were writing. Therefore when you are searching for
matching the table of nations to history, you should remember that
neither our knowledge of that period of history nor the bible
is perfect. I personally don't believe that the ancient Hebrews made up
nations. They must exist, its just a matter of identifing them.
Sharrukin: do you know of any "alternative" (creationist, "nationalist" (not stormfront)) forums since all the forums I have tried so far are mainly atheists, evolutionists, sceptics etc and I need/want to find people that not only always disagree but sometimes also agree? (I got expelled from stirpes forum for a stupid unfair reason.)
No, I don't know any. I've always purposefully looked for forums which aren't bent either to nationalist or religious dogmas. The only thing that would happen is ceaseless debate.
Sidon was also POsidon-Ea-Enki, son of Cronus-Anu, who was son of Uranos-Ham. Some inference may reveal Ouranus was son of Neptune-Noah, but I cannot vouch for that yet.
NOAH (Ural-Altaic, Turanian) + Wife Jobab (Wht. Prim.Matriarch All Fairskin, Sumerian Ling.Stock.) | Togarmah = Sumerians of Cent. Herding Region. Arabian Thamy-deni and Thamy-ditae, and Tocharians of Cent. Asia.
See John D Pilkey, "Kingship AT Its Source" and "Origin of Nations".
PELASGUS: In Thessaly, Pelasgus was described as the father of Chlorus, and as the grandfather of Haemon, or as the father of Haemon, and as the grandfather of Thessalus,[15] or again as a son of Poseidon and Larissa, and as the founder of the Thessalian Argos.[16] - wikipedia.
PELASGUS son of Poseidon-Sidon, son of Canaan.
NOAH - Apsu - (Neptune?) HAM - Anshar - Ouranus CANAAN - Anu - Cronus & Rhea Sidon - Ea/Enki - PoSeIDON Salah - (Bel)-Marduk - BELUS
Poseidon + wife Libya (Sidon + Jerah, White d. of Obal) = sons: 1-Agenor (Amor, Amorite) 2-Belus (Salah) 3-Lelex ?
An's origins. Later he is regarded as the son of Anšar and Kišar, as in
the first millennium creation epic Enūma eliš, also known as the Enuma
Elish (Tablet I, 11-14). wikipedia
In Thessaly, Pelasgus was described as the father of Chlorus, and as the grandfather of Haemon, or as the father of Haemon, and as the grandfather of Thessalus,[15] or again as a son of Poseidon and Larissa, and as the founder of the Thessalian Argos.[16] wikipedia See John D Pilkey Origin of Nations, Kingship At Its Source. -Am Azon
Dear Arthur-Robin; My God man, you think like we do... See my professor's works which I am publishing on Amazon I can senbd FREE review copies PDF's for your review. You need to convert to John D Pilkey's Euhemerist interpretation of mythology, and his Genesis-10 reconstruction. No one else has the answers yet to this GREAT extent. John has don a complete TIMELINE from the Flood to the end of the Isin Dyn. of the Sum. Kinglist'ing. All the Genesis-10-14 identies are correlated to ALL the pagan gods and goddesses. EX: Ea-Enki-Poseidon-SIDON a no brainer... With these resources, you want be left in the dark again. BOOKS: John D Pilkey, published by myself.... 1-Origin of Nations (Out of print but for collectables) 2-Kingship At Its Source 3-A Designed World 4-Noah's Family Speaks 5-A Continuous Post-Diluvian Timeline 6-A Continous Post-Dilvian Narrative 7- MY BOOK: The Genesis-10 Patriarchs
The Above (or below?) RECONSTRUCTION of Genesis-10 Table of Nations come from these sources: by Dr. John D Pilkkey & Ross S Marshall 1. Origin of Nations, 1985 2. Kingship At Its Source, 2007 3. Partriarchs of Genesis-10 OTHER followup sources based on the above... Vol-3 A Designed World (Gundestrup Caldron according to Genesis-10 Vol-4 Noah's Family Speaks (Gund Caldron and Sumer. Kinglist) Vol-5 Timeline of Postdiluvian World Vol-6 Continuous Narrative of Postdiluvian World Here is John's CONTENTS of above his KINGSHIP. THIS INFORMATION should help all Euhemerists in their attempts to reconstruct ancient history according to Genesis-10-14. Any questions, post a reply??? :o) I will post more quotes from these resources as time goes on.
Kingship at Its SourceA Study of the Early Postdiluvian Age
by John Davis Pilkey 2007
CONTENTS
Chronological List of Colonizations x
1The World in Two Halves 3 21
The War of Uruk and Aratta 4 23
Effects of the War 7 27
Struggle for Control of the Hamitic Linguistic Stock 9 29
Two Kinds of Early Postdiluvian Traditions 12 33
Indo-Europeans and Europe 15 37
2Punitive Exile 22 45
Timetable of the Arabian Exilic Process 23 46
The Egyptian Ennead 26 50
Rebellion against the Exilic Process 29 54
Centum Aryans and the Teutates Panel 32 58
Harappan Civilization 40 68
Black Africa 42 71
3 To the Ends of the Earth 46 76
Five Sons of Ur-Nanshe 47 77
Ashkenaz and the Ural-Altaics 49 80
The Austronesian Linguistic Stock 54 86
Colonization of Africa 57 90
Colonization of the Americas 61 95
Mesoamerican Identities 64 99
Colonization of North America 71 107
4 The Elite of Genesis 10 81 119
The First Kish Order 83 121
Induction of the Noahic Elite 86 125
Feudal Titles in Genesis 10 93 132
Ethnology of the Aratta Schism 98 138
Ethical Themes of the Feudal Clans of Eleven 103 144
5 Narmer and His Enemies 107 149
“Dynasties” of the Sumerian Dynasty III Period 111 154
Akkadians and the Battle of Teutates 114 158
First Four Egyptian Dynasties 117 162
6 The Twenty-Second Century and Egyptian Chronology 122 167
Egyptian Chronology 124 170
The Gutians 128 175
Amorite Kings 131 178
Egyptian Dynasties of the Twenty-Second Century 133 181
The Abrahamic Ward and the Sumerian Restoration 136 183
Retrospect on Sumerian Chronology 143 191
The Antediluvian Dynasties 147 195
7 Identities of the Noahic Elite 150 198
The Japhethite Section 153 202
The Hamite Section 158 207
The Shemite Section 166 216
8 Ur-Nanshe, the Akkadians and L. A. Waddell 181 233
L. A. Waddell’s View of Ur-Nanshe 183 235
Hittite Mythology 189 243
Waddell’s View of the Akkadians 194 248
Waddell’s “Ukhu City” 203 260
9 The Living Noahic World 206 264
Japhethites 208 266
Hamites 213 272
The Taranis and Medb Panels and Xia Dynasty 219 278
Shemites 232 292
Colonization of Teutonic and Danubean Europe 238 298
Antediluvian Ethnology 245 307
10 Profiles of the Noahic Elite I: Male Antediluvians and Japheth 250 313
Colonization of Celtic Western Europe 259 323
From Empire to Nation: The Turning Point of 2158 262 326
11 Profiles of the Noahic Elite II: Hamites 290357
Contents iv
Olympian Empire in the Aegean 306 377
Members of the First Kish Dynasty 314 386
Labors of Herakles and the Argonautic Tradition 320 393
12 Profiles of the Noahic Elite III: Shemites 324 398
Ghost Phonemes and Casual Etymologies 331407
The Satem Aryan Expedition 339 417
Arphaxadand the Tradition of the Gundestrup Caldron 343 421
The Colonization of Egypt 350 429
13 Summary Chronology 359438
Twenty-Fourth Century 360 440
Twenty-Third Century 363 443
Twenty-Second Century 366 448
Appendix I: An Analysis of Pantheons 371 455
Appendix II: The Problem of Japheth and Kali 386 471
Appendix III: Tribal Divisions of Northern Albania 387 473
Appendix IV: A Selection of Constructs 389 477
477-Noah. The Ukko; The Didanu; 478 The Etana-Balih;
479 Shem. The Dadasig;
479 Ham. The Havilah; Ham. The Titan-Olympian.
482 Japheth. The Sheba; The Suilap; 483 The Fornjot; The Svarog
484 Magog. The Gutian Japhethite;
484 Ashkenaz. The North- American
485 Togarmah. The Kudai Bai Ulgon;
486 An. The Sumerian High Pantheon
488 Sidon. The Inanna; 489: The Javanite
491 Inanna. The Cainan
492 Shelah. The Shemite
493 Joktan. The Sarmatian Joktanites
Appendix V: A Replication in Ptolemy’s Eastern Germany 403 497
Appendix VI:A Replication in Southeast Asia 405 501
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