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    Posted: 29-May-2006 at 10:25
It should be hard for you to realize the truth from Sweden anyway, but your fairy tales don't work here!Smile
 
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  Quote Cent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-May-2006 at 10:44
What truth Bashibozuk?
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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  Quote Bashibozuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-May-2006 at 10:50
I guess you don't like maps at all. Have a look at the first page again and provide me a counter proof to support your baseless hypotesis, if you can...
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  Quote Cent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-May-2006 at 10:52
What hypotesis?
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-May-2006 at 11:11
Basıbozuk, I hope you dont deliberately missinform people,  because at that  map,  CHP  is almost equal  to DTP,  plus Tunceli major is  from dtp.(Map is wrong)
 
 
True, majority of kurds dont want independence,  but  DTP have a large support at south-east anatolia. Diyarbakir, siirt, van, agrı,  mardin  and hakkari. 3 million vote is not a small minority.
 
Also I should  add,  it is  not nationalist turkey kurds supported, but  infamous AKP,  islamist party  who have less nationalist. If army close to akp, all  of kurds will turn to DTP again.  So you are  between  akp and dtp, wanna choose?
 
A large  minority of kurds dont like nationalist turkey(just guess why),  but It looks  like  they prefer  a  turkey which respect  kurdish right, instead of independence.
 
It should be hard for you to realize the truth from Sweden anyway,
 
 
you are from turkey, but you dont  realize the truth also,  or you are lying. Because shp=dtp(at kurdish land)
 
 
 
 
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  Quote Bashibozuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-May-2006 at 11:43
but you dont  realize the truth also,  or you are lying
 
Neither me or the map lies, Murtaza. And the map is based on the local elections of 2004, you can find various copies of it if you just use this perfect link.
 
And one of the most accurate and widest websites about elections in Turkey with details by provinces:
 
 
but  DTP have a large support at south-east anatolia
 
So what? Turkish nationalist parties have a large support in Eastern regions too. For example Elazig, Erzurum, Igdir, Erzincan and Bingl are some of the main provinces for highest rates of votes to nationalist parties.
 
And DEHAP had %6,23 of total votes, all over Turkey, in the last general elections. Do you think it represents a majority or a minority?
 
you are from turkey, but you dont  realize the truth also,
 
At least I try to provide sources about the facts, why can't you people provide any proofs if you believe these maps and statistics are false? These aren't even my maps, these are based on elections, not based on anyone's political ideology.
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2006 at 03:13
Neither me or the map lies, Murtaza. And the map is based on the local elections of 2004, you can find various copies of it if you just use this perfect link.
 
Giving half  information is not much different than lie, you  are calling  shp as central-left party, but  at 2004 election CHP=DTP.
 
So what? Turkish nationalist parties have a large support in Eastern regions too. For example Elazig, Erzurum, Igdir, Erzincan and Bingl are some of the main provinces for highest rates of votes to nationalist parties.
 
Not all of Eastern cities are  kurdish majority, Igdır  and bingl are  kurdish majority, and  they support  dtp much more  than mhp.(At  ıgdır akp divided dtp  votes, so  mhp gained. Also there are much turk at ıgdır.)
 
And DEHAP had %6,23 of total votes, all over Turkey, in the last general elections. Do you think it represents a majority or a minority?
 
Compare it with  kurdish population that is  15-20% of Turkey, even it is still minority, It is not  a  small  minority, also religious parties like Rp, and AKP divided their vote much, because religious parties are less nationalist. So infact Turkish nationalism was refused by Kurds.
 
At least I try to provide sources about the facts, why can't you people provide any proofs if you believe these maps and statistics are false? These aren't even my maps, these are based on elections, not based on anyone's political ideology.
 
True, but SHP=DTP,  you should not hide this fact, or do  you realy believe It is central-left who gain at diyarbakır?
 
 
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  Quote Socrates Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2006 at 06:25
Originally posted by Zagros

Originally posted by machine

So Kurds are like Jews.
 
Kurds are like Kurds and anyone who doesn't like us can go to hell.
 
 
LOL  Zagros is angry...


Edited by Socrates - 30-May-2006 at 06:25
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  Quote Bashibozuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2006 at 10:45
you  are calling  shp as central-left party, but  at 2004 election CHP=DTP.
 
Sorry, I couldn't get what you mean. But SHP is social democrat, and I guess that is included in the left rather than right ideology, am I wrong here?
 
 
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2006 at 10:59

we are talking  about 2004 election, without joining  dpt,  shp cannot  gain even 1%  from  kurds. (also not more than  2%  from  turks).

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  Quote kingofmazanderan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2006 at 13:34
Some one please explain to me why the kurds want to be indipendant so badly?  I read a little about it and think it is mostly because of the Sunni Shia seperation in Iran. 
 
I also know the Kurds are Iranic and thier langwage is very similar to Farsi.  I think the Kurds should embrace thier Iranic roots and forget about indipendence.  Not wanting to offend you Cent or any other Kurd who reads this.
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2006 at 15:09
why do you want freedom for your ownself? why do you want to live under democracy? you should embrace your iranic root, and also should bow your brother mollah.
 
 


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  Quote khan53 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Aug-2006 at 14:52
Originally posted by axeman

i like kurds

if u like them u can invite all of them to your country,please write a petition to your government....i want to give some information about kurds in Turkİye,their population is about %12 of total population,and they have all rights like turks in Turkiye,they can go to university,they can buy wahtever they want they can be presidant,one of our presidant was kurd (Turgut zal).and i can bet if Turkiye give a permission to a free kurdistan they won t go there,because they are good in my country,they just want to create uneasiness.Now u ll write all of them are not like u said.
   may be......
   but i have nt met yet......
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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2006 at 00:56
I am am Indian & dont have much knowledge about the Kurds, except that availaible on the web.

One interesting thing I have noticed. it seems names like barzaani are common amongst the Kurds. I mean names ending with the "aani" sound.

In India we have one Sindhi community, which almost entirely has surnames ending with this sound like barzani for eg. Advani, Narwani, Ramani, Bharwani, bhavnani etc.. the Sindhis are essentially business community, being one of the most influencial in India.

Can anybody throw more light on this.
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  Quote Urungu Han Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2006 at 05:15
You dont know kurdish people in Turkey well,if you know,be sure you will hate them too like Turkish Grey Wolves(nationalists)
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  Quote The Hidden Face Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2006 at 05:29
"I am as Kurd as a Kurd, and Kurds are as Turk as I am."
 
-Alparslan Turkes, The founder of the Grey wolves.
 
 
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  Quote Bulldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2006 at 06:18
I've recently returned from Turkey, more precisely the South East and East.
 
First of all you must get the ridiculous maps which some extreme Kurds draw, areas such as KahramanMaras, Sivas, Elazig, Malatya, Igdir, Erzerum, GaziAntep, Hatay, SanliUrfa, North Van, Erzincan have no place in such a map, for this to happen they would have to wipe out the majority of these regions as most are proud of being Turks and being part of Turkey. I asked many locals about these maps and if they support them, they suddenly looked angry at me as if they're gonna smack me in the mouthLOL. Infact even though most the areas listed above have a Turkish majority, places like South Mardin, South Urfa, parts of Hatay and Bitlis have Arab majorities and a Suryani presence but most TUrks and Kurds call them Christian Arabs.
 
Then I visited Diyabakir Batman region. It has a Kurdish majority, most people I spoke with are just living life providing for their family and don't have time for Nationalist pollitics. Also in Hakkari they say its the poorest region but many people have Mercedes and BMW!
 
There are many factors, Batman is very religous and conservative, Diyarbakir is more Left, the Kurds tribal leaders and religous leaders have alot of power over Kurdish society. Some people I spoke to wanted Kurdish independance and were quite radical, then there were some who wanted Ummah, others want prosperous TUrkey so there kids would have a better life.
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Also this site has an interesting article
 
 
 


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well my family migrated to agri after world war 2 from the caucasus. all my uncles are married with kurds. So my cousins are half kurdish still family no?

the kurds living in agri don't want a kurdistan they're well not happy with the turkish goverment but who is with his goverment no body there is allways something. they say( a few kurds I heard talking about this sunject) the other kurds from the south and irak and iran are different than us. We cant relate with them as we can with our selfs. Is a kurdistan possible what about language religion culture.
 
btw agri wasn't a big kurdish provence untill most turks left a decade ago or so. there are allmost no  turks left my grandfather says there were 7 turkish villeage and 6 kurdish were we live now there are like 2 turkish villeages left.
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  Quote mamikon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Sep-2006 at 15:02
Originally posted by Urungu Han

You dont know kurdish people in Turkey well,if you know,be sure you will hate them too like Turkish Grey Wolves(nationalists)


I am surprised no one has commented on this yet...did you just compare all Kurdish people to some Ultra-Fascist Turkish club? shame...

where do you come up with such intelligent analogies?


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Originally posted by Bulldog

I've recently returned from Turkey, more precisely the South East and East.
 
First of all you must get the ridiculous maps which some extreme Kurds draw, areas such as KahramanMaras, Sivas, Elazig, Malatya, Igdir, Erzerum, GaziAntep, Hatay, SanliUrfa, North Van, Erzincan have no place in such a map, for this to happen they would have to wipe out the majority of these regions as most are proud of being Turks and being part of Turkey. I asked many locals about these maps and if they support them, they suddenly looked angry at me as if they're gonna smack me in the mouthLOL. Infact even though most the areas listed above have a Turkish majority, places like South Mardin, South Urfa, parts of Hatay and Bitlis have Arab majorities and a Suryani presence but most TUrks and Kurds call them Christian Arabs.
 
Then I visited Diyabakir Batman region. It has a Kurdish majority, most people I spoke with are just living life providing for their family and don't have time for Nationalist pollitics. Also in Hakkari they say its the poorest region but many people have Mercedes and BMW!
 
There are many factors, Batman is very religous and conservative, Diyarbakir is more Left, the Kurds tribal leaders and religous leaders have alot of power over Kurdish society. Some people I spoke to wanted Kurdish independance and were quite radical, then there were some who wanted Ummah, others want prosperous TUrkey so there kids would have a better life.
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Also this site has an interesting article
 
 
 


I'd thought you would just visit Istanbul.It looks like you had a precious trip.


As mentioned, Kurdish nationalist movement doesnn't have so much fans.

European media rears it as it did about Armenians and Greeks many year go.


Edited by Jagatai Khan - 01-Sep-2006 at 16:07
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