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Topic: Greatest Dynasties. Posted: 13-Nov-2004 at 10:03 |
What do you think is the greatest family dynasty of European history. Is it the Tudors, Bourbons, Hapsburgs, or even the Romanovs. I would say the Hapsburgs because they had the longest enduring history and once ruled both Austria and Spain.
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Posted: 13-Nov-2004 at 12:07 |
Welf (Hanover, Brunswick), Habsburg and Hohenzollern. military wise i'd say Wrttemberg, no other family had members of it fighting personally in so many wars since the middle ages up to WW1 (in the case fo the latter of course not directly at the front ). for middle ages alone i'd say Anjou and Hohenstaufen. of those mentioned only Anjous are not of Swabian origin, but that's just coincidence... Bonaparte and Romanov could also be included...
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Posted: 13-Nov-2004 at 16:53 |
Hap Hap Happy Hapsburgs
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Posted: 13-Nov-2004 at 17:15 |
argh, it's Habsburg with B, i've seen it so often wrong, whose fault is this?
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Posted: 15-Nov-2004 at 05:49 |
I pick on Habsburgs
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Posted: 16-Nov-2004 at 16:44 |
What makes the Hapsburgs great. I always found it fascinating how they were able to expand the scope of their power through marriage. I think they might have gained more territory through that method than through military power.
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Posted: 25-Nov-2004 at 13:28 |
The Hapsburgs are probably the most influencial ruling family of all time. More than the Tudors or Bourbons.
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Posted: 09-Dec-2004 at 10:01 |
"argh, it's Habsburg with B, i've seen it so often wrong, whose fault is this?"
Actually, it can be either way. German B and P sound pretty much the same, is the theory.
Like Romanov and Romanoff. The Russian sound is similar to both 'ov' and 'off' but not really either one. Today the convention is to use 'ov', but a hundred years ago it was 'off.' Either is correct.
And look how the Romanized spellings of Chinese words changes from generation to generation. How would a westerner pronounce 'Zhang?' Would you be surprised to learn it is pronounced 'Jong?' At least that's what Zhang Hui (Jong Hway) tells me.
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Posted: 09-Dec-2004 at 10:06 |
"What makes the Hapsburgs great. I always found it fascinating how they were able to expand the scope of their power through marriage. I think they might have gained more territory through that method than through military power. "
This is true. Take Charles the V (or Carlos I of Espana) for example. His mother, Juana la Loca, was the daughter of the king of Aragon and the queen of Castile. His father was the son of the Archduke Maximillian of Austria (and HRE) and Mary of Burgundy.
However, future generations, in an attempt to keep the holdings within the family, married uncles to neices and cousin to cousin. The result was Carlos II (died 1700 or 1701). This grotesque creature, aside from being so horribly ugly his first wife fainted dead away at the sight of him, was throughly retarded. He learned to talk and feed himself by age 10. Died at 40. No heirs (surprised?).
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Posted: 09-Dec-2004 at 10:47 |
Originally posted by capcartoonist
Actually, it can be either way. German B and P sound pretty much the same, is the theory.
Like Romanov and Romanoff. The Russian sound is similar to both
'ov' and 'off' but not really either one. Today the convention is to
use 'ov', but a hundred years ago it was 'off.' Either is correct.
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But Russian uses different characters.
Habsburg is Habsburg in German, but Romanov is Романов
in Russian. There are different ways of romanizing Russian words, but
German words don't need to be romanized, so it's best to use the native
spelling.
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Posted: 09-Dec-2004 at 13:21 |
Romanoff is the French spelling.
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Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 17:52 |
Which dynasty would you say had the most impact on European history?
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Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 21:08 |
I believe Habsburg comes for the German Habichtsburg, or hawk castle.
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Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 21:30 |
Well I'd say that the Hapsburgs(sp?) were the greatest.
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Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 23:01 |
Originally posted by Winterhaze13
What do you think is the greatest family dynasty of European history. Is it the Tudors, Bourbons, Hapsburgs, or even the Romanovs. I would say the Hapsburgs because they had the longest enduring history and once ruled both Austria and Spain. |
I change my mind now, I say the Medici.
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Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 23:25 |
I just thought someone should mention the Jagiellonian dynasty, their dominion around early 1500's stretched form baltic to black to adriatic sea.
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Posted: 11-Dec-2004 at 19:17 |
At one point the Hapsburg's ruled all of Austria and in addition Spain.
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Posted: 12-Dec-2004 at 11:24 |
Yes, Carlos Primero of Spain, Charles V of Germany. He not only
ruled Spain and Austria - but Hungary, the Netherlands, sections of
Germany, and all of Spain's posessions of the new world. However,
as his mother was Juana la Loca, and she was a Spaniard, so was he . Too bad he had two children, or else the Empire wouldn't have been split between Ferdinand and Phillip.
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Posted: 15-Dec-2004 at 21:22 |
What!? No carolingians!? They should be up there as well.
Romanovs are not that influental because they ruled a country that was traditionally considered the backwater of europe. I don't think the tudors were that influental because at the time england had not expanded like it would until succeeding families took over (i.e. the native dynasty died out).
The way I see it. The three great families are caronlingians, Habsburgs, and the Bourbons, in no particular order. Between the Habsburgs and the Bourbons it's too close to call.
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Posted: 18-Dec-2004 at 02:06 |
Originally posted by DuxPimpJuice
Yes, Carlos Primero of Spain, Charles V of Germany. He not only ruled Spain and Austria - but Hungary, the Netherlands, sections of Germany, and all of Spain's posessions of the new world. However, as his mother was Juana la Loca, and she was a Spaniard, so was he . Too bad he had two children, or else the Empire wouldn't have been split between Ferdinand and Phillip. |
Ferdinand was his brother, and he was the king of Hungary and Bohemia. Carlos got his election as the next Emperor, and when he abdicated Ferdinand inherited Austria, and the HRE.
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