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Topic: African Cavalry Posted: 03-Oct-2007 at 00:02 |
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Also on one of the African shields I notice a cross. |
Cross-like symbols have been used by all sorts of cultures throughout history. If you think about it, two perpendicular lines that intersect is a pretty basic design. I've seen it used in Mesoamerican art (as a symbol for the four directions), Chinese writing (it's the character for the number ten!), and even in our own alphabet (lowercase t, the letter x). I don't know much about the Mossi. It could mean anything to them. Or nothing. The nearest example I can think of is the Asante- they have a cross-like symbol used to represent the word "house" or "family." But even with two such nearby cultures, it's probably only a coincidence.
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Posted: 28-Sep-2007 at 14:59 |
Very interesting story.
Perhaps someone could put a thread on the weapons they and other SS Africans used, and people like the Zulus that won battles with that. They were made of iron.
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Posted: 28-Sep-2007 at 03:05 |
Then what's the second picture under Soul Balder, the shield of the infantrymen? Can someone tell me?
Also I notice the cavalry seems high tech and modern whereas the infantry looks like naked savages. Is there a reason for this?
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Posted: 27-Sep-2007 at 19:54 |
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Huuummm, that adds to my interest! Of course, I don't expect those book to cost 21 euros as the "African" one... |
note, those books only cover the 19th century, but they are extremely comprehensive studies, the best you'll find anywhere.
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Nice! Those definitely look like steepe Africans considering they're
using horses instead of camels. Africans who live in the desert,
Trauregs, could only use camels.
Also on one of the African shields I notice a cross. |
all african "cavalry nations" were Muslim except for the Mossi which were pagan. so the cross has no meaning.
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Posted: 27-Sep-2007 at 11:49 |
Nice! Those definitely look like steepe Africans considering they're using horses instead of camels. Africans who live in the desert, Trauregs, could only use camels.
Also on one of the African shields I notice a cross.
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Posted: 27-Sep-2007 at 08:54 |
Huuummm, that adds to my interest! Of course, I don't expect those book to cost 21 euros as the "African" one...
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Posted: 26-Sep-2007 at 20:38 |
yes, they are expensive as hell but i highly recommend them. i also have the books on Central Asia & Himalayan kingdoms as well as the China volume.
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Posted: 26-Sep-2007 at 12:53 |
Just to tell you I've got the book. Great stuff: detailed in every aspect lots of pictures (though B&W only), etc. It was a great buy, only 21 euros from Foundry Miniatures. And they have a few more book about Burmese and Central Asian subjects as well.
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Posted: 16-Aug-2007 at 12:31 |
Great, it seems that we'll both have the chance to read first-hand: I've just ordered the book myself!
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Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 13:02 |
i read it in the book i posted above ;)
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Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 08:42 |
Huuummm, where did you read that? I would like to learn a little bit more.
Nevertheless, I think I'll just buy the book refered above. It looks like a nice, very nice adition to my library on military history subjects.
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Posted: 11-Aug-2007 at 16:16 |
the ruler Kanijeji of Kano, a Hausa city state brought in first quilts, mail and iron helmets around 1400 and was the first to use it. by 1800 armoured horsemen were the distinctive feature of east Savannah warfare.
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Posted: 10-Aug-2007 at 08:32 |
Hi all!
I found this thread just amazing! I know there were heavy cavalry in Africa, but I thought I was in Sudan only.
The "cataphract" pictures remind me of a documentary from the 30's, I think it was a African travel made with special Citroen vehicles' caravan, but perhaps I'm wrong about it.
Do you have any info regarding when did these African peoples adopted this style of cavalry warfare and their heavy equipment?
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Posted: 29-Jun-2007 at 19:44 |
very interesting !
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Posted: 28-Jun-2007 at 14:56 |
yes i agree pretty much, but the Sahara desert played a more crucial role, the trade routes through the Sahara were made only possible after the Arabs introduced the Camel to Northern Africa which only made the travel through the Sahara possible. Deserts like the Taklamakan were mostly bypassed if possible.
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Posted: 28-Jun-2007 at 10:28 |
I have moved this very interesting topic to its rightful place. The steppe empires of Africa are certainly an overlooked subject.
While we're on the topic, I have a suspicion that the Sahel may have played a somewhat similar role as a trade and travel conduit for Africa as the Eurasian steppes had in Asia and Europe. I think that it is very possible that trade routes ran along its length, from the Nile to the civilizations on the banks of the upper Niger, and from the Sahara to the forest kingdoms of Benin, Dahomey, Igbo and others. It is well known that the Hausa were great traders, who travelled as far the Senegal in the West, and Darfur in the East; moreover, the very existence and location of the trading Husa city states in northern Nigeria suggests the existence of trade routes along the Sahel.
Seen in this respect, kingdoms such as Kanem-Bornu, Mossi, Ouaddai, Fulani kingdoms such as Sokoto, and even an empire such as Songhay could be seen as the equivalent of the Turkish and Mongol kingdoms in Central Asia, who used their military might to control trade routes and extort tribute from their settled neighbors.
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Posted: 25-Jun-2007 at 15:25 |
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may you think , was it possible Vikings took horse to America? |
Nope. Horses came with the Spaniards.
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Posted: 25-Jun-2007 at 13:42 |
may you think , was it possible Vikings took horse to America?
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Posted: 25-Jun-2007 at 10:57 |
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But not joking, I read a book about the ancient contact of China and america , the writer talked about an academic research, it stated that atomb of about 500 ad was found in America, the skeleton of house was found, but I forgot the name of the researchers, but the writer stated that this research was from a famous Us university, anyone knows anything |
Horses in the America? Hardly. Horses went extinguished in the americas by the time man can in (20.000) years ago. All chronicles of the time of the conquist show clearly the impact the horse produced on Natives, because they didn't know that animal.
Cute llama carivans where also replaced by mules less that two decades after the Spaniards arrived.
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Posted: 25-Jun-2007 at 10:46 |
But not joking, I read a book about the ancient contact of China and america , the writer talked about an academic research, it stated that atomb of about 500 ad was found in America, the skeleton of house was found, but I forgot the name of the researchers, but the writer stated that this research was from a famous Us university, anyone knows anything
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