Chinese aero industry is the No.1 in Asia

Ok, Aim-9X is no match for R-73, here read something by AMERICAN scientists:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/aa-11.htm

it is BEST missile there is, LOL, and I don't know how can you not know that R-73 also uses nozzles, it is the most maneuverable AA missile there is.


Russian missiles are way farther than american missiles, I am talking long range engagements.

You are saying there are not gonna be any dogfights, well, I think you are wrong, long range missiles are not really maneuverable, so, fighters like Su-37 will dodge them, and then you have to go dogfight.


"russians did the same thing. you can see Su-47 won't get into russian air force for sure."

but you can see that on it's basis, a fifth generation fighrter is coming, PAK-FA.

F-22, I don't think it will really be a match for SU-30 or Su-37, not nearly as maneuverable.

Stealth can be detected using long wave length radars, that's how in yugoslavia, anti air defence hit F-117 with very old soviet AA missiles.

Lol, about F-35 engine, did you know that Lockheed was in CLOSE cooperation with YAk company, doesn't it seem suspicious? Yak also had project for aircraft that looks terribly like F-35, YES, F-35 uses russian technilogy engine.

F-22 is stealth, but I heard that Mig-31's radar can track stealth aircraft, plus, I meant maximum speed, Mig-31 is the fastes aircraft nowadays.


And once again, I think you are wrong about BVR warfare, dogfights are important, fighters like Su-30 can dodge missiles for a long time, they will get close to you and that's it.

It is a common misconception that dogfights are not relevant anymore, they pretty much are.

Russian industry is advanced, and it can not be compared to US only because US has numbers and money to produce them, while on quality level, they are similar.

    

Edited by Russian - 19-May-2006 at 01:02

There is no overall superiority in Military Aircrafts.F-22 may be superior in certain fields,but the Typhoon has also many advantages.

Technologies can easily change through modernizations.E.G Hellenic F-4 Phantoms,a 28 year old fighter, after their recent modernization can use AMRAAM missiles in BVR scrambles and their upgraded radar can now target multiple targets in air to air operations,sth unimaginable some years ago.The real problem is ,whether the aircraft can actually be a platform for new technologies. =what you are talking about is my point as well. after upgraded by new avionics, even american old planes are superior than others' latest planes. this just show those yankees are really ahead of everyone in aero industry. their latest fighters will just be ahead of even more. of course the world has been always changing. who knows how many years could america keep this advantage.

that's ture if talking about the actual capabilities of fighters. but what i was talking about is to compare the technologies that used by them, F-16 block60 is definitely superior than current version's Typhoon and Rafale. The block60 uses t/w ratio 9.8 turbofan, while Typhoon's is 9.0, Rafle's is 8.5 and J-10's is 8.2; blk60 carries Actively Electrical Scaning Radar, Typhoon, Rafle and J-10 only have Pulse Doppler Radar; blk60's buses use systemic distributing, it's completely different from Typhoon, Rafale and J-10's point to point distributing. these three planes' FC dualistic buses is just as comparable as block40 and F-16 MLU's, which maximal transmission speed is about 130Mbps. while according to experiences of blk60's test, it needs at least 525Mbps for FLIR informations live transmission, 290~800Mbps for establishing 3D map in MFD within 5 seconds. blk60's buses could make sure to transfer targets informations from IR sensors to weapons within several seconds. while Typhoon, Rafale and J-10's FC standard buses may need more than one minute to complete this process. it's too slow to do this in battlefield. thus people must input targets informations into weapons before planes take off. in such case blk60 will have much more flexible mission arrangement than those three planes. and blk60 could use lots of smart ammos that those three planes can't use. this just about technologies.

 

of course it will be a different story when talking about real capabilities. specially AAW, Typhoon, Rafale and J-10 all are superior than blk60 in this area due to their superior agility and bigger radar antennas(AESA's advantage to PD radar is multi targets dealing and anti disturbing from ground reflected random radar waves. it doesn't help in AAW)   

 

Originally posted by Spartakus Superiority of an aircraft over another is a very complicated issue.

Edited by bigtoothbrush - 17-May-2006 at 20:06

Chinese aero industry is just the No.1 in Asia, not in world. Actually US is at least 15 years ahead of any country(including Russia) in this area. Who let you to compare China with America? J-10 of course is superior than earlier versions' F-16 and even F-16. But since the latest F-15 and F-16 changed much more powerful turbofans and new avionics(including AESA and double complex data lines), they are even superior than Typhoon and Rafale. The current J-10A/B that in Chinese air force could match the latest flanker for sure. It's definitely the most capable fighter ever that made by Asians.

China is the only country in Asia that could independently produce advanced jet fighter right now. Specially in aeroengine area, China is at least 10 years ahead of any Asian country. The only 5 countries in the world that could produce upper t/w ratio 8 class turbofan are America, Russia, Britain, France and China.