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    Posted: 16-May-2006 at 15:20
Just had a quick question to the Pakistani members of the forum. What are your oppinions on Bhuto and Nawaz Sharif?

Also, how do you predict the upcoming election to go?
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  Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-May-2006 at 07:04
I think prision is too good for Nawaz and Bhuto should be caught and hanged.

I don't really care about the elections so long as Musharaff holds onto power.
Long Live military dictatorship!
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-May-2006 at 07:56
As above. Fact is most  Pakistanis do not care a hoot who is in power or how he or she got there, as long as the guy/gal does a good job and leaves the rest of us the hell alone.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-May-2006 at 01:10
I'm ignorant about Pakistani politics.
 
It seems some Pakistanis still support Nawaz Sharif.
 
Originally posted by OMER FAROOQ

 

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is a great leader of pakistani peoples(Still more than 80%),And we woluld like to see him again prime minister of Pakistan.Our nation is at very critical point Now he(AFTER ALLAH ALMIGHTY) is the only hope to get/free us from present illlegitimate goverment.We All PRAY TO ALLAH FOR HIM.

Omer Farooq.

JHELUM PAKISTAN.

 
 
He must have done some good work for Pakistan.Otherwise why would Pakistani people still support him.
 
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  Quote Gharanai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-May-2006 at 09:54
Though I am not a Pakistani but I have lived in Pakistan and know some about their politics and economy. In my point of view (thinking the best for Pakistanis) President Musharaf is the best leader they had ever had and by that I also mean better than Butto, lots of people do say that he is an agent of America and all those other crabs but tell me now adays which developing country's leader isn't backed by a super power ?
 
If you just check and compare Pakistan's status in 1999 and now 2006 you will find an extreamly high rate of change in every aspect. I as an IT student would take the example of change in IT field.
  1. In 1999 most of the people in Pakistan even didn't know what a computer is but now you will even find Internet service in rural areas.
  2. In 1999 you would had rarely seen an mobile set in the hand of a middle class person but by now even a sweeper has one.
  3. In 1999 the standard of telecommunication was so down but now it may compete with most developed countries.

So there are lots of other examples as well that I haven't mentioned and I am dam sure that not even a single of those achievemnets could had been brought if Benazir or Sharief was in power.

Finally for the people of central and south asian countries I think as OMER mentioned military dictatorship is the best and is the only was they could develope.


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  Quote Rajput Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 12:07
I think the real culprit in Pakistani politics that should be focused on was Zia Ul Haq a muslim fanatic, popularly known for passing his 'blasphemy' laws designated towards targeting of minorities in Pakistan and for nearly erasing culture in Pakistan.
 
"In my childhood, well after the creation Pakistan, I recall going to the Baisakhi melas and seeing villagers do the bhangra. But then over the years the practice stopped. It was during the dictatorial regime of Zia-ul-Haq that all multi-faith celebrations with song and dance came to a stop in Pakistan. Painter Akram Varraich, a Muslim Jat of Wazirabad, says: "Old habits die hard and the people of Wazirabad and Amenabad still continue with the practice of taking a dip in the Chenab river on this day." - Munawar Bhatti
 
Originally posted by http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=153

John Gunther Dean, former US ambassador to India, suspects Mossad of assassinating Pakistans General Muhammad Zia ul-Haq and yet this is not considered a news item in the United States. Its an important news story in Pakistan, of course, and Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, India, North Korea, Taiwan, and even Australia and Britain, but not here in the United States. As of this evening, a Google News search returns eleven results on this story.

Of all the violent political deaths in the twentieth century, none with such great interest to the United States has been more clouded than the mysterious air crash that killed President [and Army Chief General] Mohammed Zia ul-Haq of Pakistan in [August] 1988, a tragedy that also claimed the life of a serving American ambassador and most of General Zias top commanders, writes Barbara Crossette, the New York Times bureau chief in South Asia from 1988 to 1991. The list of potential malefactors has grown as the years have passed, compounding the mysteries buried in this peculiar, unfinished tale.

The one unarguable fact is that no serious, conclusive, or even comprehensive inquiry into the crash has been undertaken in the United States, although one of its top diplomats, Arnold Raphel, and an American general were killedand in an Americanbuilt aircraft. Congress held a few hearings, but the FBI was kept away from the case for a year. No official report was made public. Indeed, a file in the National Archives containing about 250 pages of documents on the event is still classified secret.

Classified secret because the U.S. government knows damn well who killed President Muhammad Zia ul-Haq, Arnold Raphel, and an American generalthe Israelis, the same Israelis who attacked the USS Liberty and killed 34 US seamen and wounded 171 out of a crew of 297. Despite the overwhelming evidence that Israel attacked the ship and killed American servicemen deliberately, the Johnson Administration and Congress covered up the entire incident, Eric S. Margolis quotes James Bamford from his book Body of Secrets. Why? asks Margolis. Domestic politics. Johnson, a man never noted for high moral values, preferred to cover up the attack rather than anger a key constituency and major financial backer of the Democratic Party. Congress was even less eager to touch this third rail issue.

For daring to accuse Israel and India of killing General Zia and his entourage, John Gunther Dean was accused of mental imbalance and relieved of his duties at the State Department. Dean, now 80, has remained silent for nearly 20 years but is now collecting his papers and is ready to share his thoughts. He was declared mentally unfit for demanding an investigation into the aircrash. He lost his medical clearance and security clearance because of his views and was forced to seek retirement in 1988, writes Huma Aamir Malik for the Arab News. After he made the charge following the aircrash in which the then US ambassador to Pakistan, Arnie Raphel was also killed with Zia, he was sent to Switzerland to rest for six weeks and only then allowed to return to New Delhi to pack his bags and quit.

Dean says that when he was ambassador to India, various pro-Israel Congressmen and other US policymakers constantly asked him why he wasnt cooperating with the Israelis to thwart Pakistans nuclear program and demonize Pakistan.

He says he was asked to persuade the Indians to be more pro-Israel too. He is on record as having alleged that the Israelis tried to kill him in 1980 when he was US ambassador to Lebanon because he disagreed with Israeli policies. He was accused of being pro-Palestinian in the Israeli Knesset (Parliament).

The US did not allow the FBI or any other agency to carry out a full-fledged investigation into the crash.

Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. Imagine if Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin had been assassinated not by the rabid right-winger Yigal Amir but by a Palestinian. Imagine the banner headlines that would have appeared on the front page of the New York Times. Imagine how many innocent Palestinians would have died in retaliation.

It should be obvious why the Muhammad Zia ul-Haq story has not made it on the pages of the New York Timesthe corporate media in the United States has harbored a pro-Zionist slant for a very long time. Our government is controlled by pro-Israel Congressmen and other US policymakers, and ever more so since the ascension of the Zionist neocons and their maniacal Christian Zionist allies.

It should also be obvious that Iraq was invaded in the name of Israelas the Bush*te Philip Zelikow admittedand yet it is impossible for the corporate media to admit this. A couple weeks before Bush invaded Iraq, then U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton told Ariel Sharon he had no doubt America would attack Iraq, and that it would be necessary thereafter to deal with threats from Syria, Iran and North Korea, reported Aluf Benn for Ha`aretz on February 20, 2003. In June, 2002, Joshua Micah Marshall wrote for the Washington Monthly:

The suggestion that the war with Iraq is being planned at Israels behest, or at the instigation of policymakers whose main motivation is trying to create a secure environment for Israel, is strong. Many Israeli analysts believe this. The Israeli commentator Akiva Eldar recently observed frankly in a Haaretz column that [Richard] Perle, [Douglas] Feith, and their fellow strategists are walking a fine line between their loyalty to American governments and Israeli interests. The suggestion of dual loyalties is not a verboten subject in the Israeli press, as it is in the United States. Peace activist Uri Avnery, who knows Israeli Prime Minister Sharon well, has written that Sharon has long planned grandiose schemes for restructuring the Middle East and that the winds blowing now in Washington remind me of Sharon. I have absolutely no proof that the Bushies got their ideas from him. But the style is the same.

And yet none of this is news in America. In fact, to suggest such is considered anti-Semitic. The General Zia ul-Haq story will not make it on page C-23 of the New York Times, let alone the front page.

It is imperative that Americans never know the truthforeign policy in the United States is run by a clan of Zionist gangsters and they will eventually destroy this country.



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  Quote Kapikulu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jun-2006 at 17:45
I heard that Benazir Bhutto was involved in several economic improper actions...Is that why she isn't loved in Pakistan?
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  Quote Gharanai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jun-2006 at 18:27
Originally posted by Kapikulu

I heard that Benazir Bhutto was involved in several economic improper actions...Is that why she isn't loved in Pakistan?
 
You are quite right, she is really known for her currupt charecter. Her father was a great leader but every child can not follow his/her parents steps.
Her husband Zardari was (still is) known as Mr. 10%, meaning what ever you want to do in Pakistan ligal or illigal just give 10% of the share to him and boom you are allowed to do what ever you want to, that's what used to be.


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