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The Guardian
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Topic: The Impossibility of God? Posted: 14-May-2006 at 13:54 |
I recently read a post saying that Gods existence is impossible, could people try and explain that please? I would love to hear them prove it.
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Pieinsky
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Posted: 14-May-2006 at 15:03 |
Define God please.
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Posted: 14-May-2006 at 17:26 |
-I'll have a stab at this. I do not like to divulge information from an unfinished work(My Manifesto on the stupidity of Religion) but just for fun I am willing to do so now.
-If God exists(I'm discussing monotheistic religion on this arguement though it can be applied to all) why is his existence geographically hindered? Take christendom for instance; if God exists why did the knowledge of him have to spread from the middle east? Why didn't an Indian(Native American to be PC) become a prophet? It's quite absurd that an omnipotent god would find a few mountains or a sea get in the way of his word... This is true of any religion and so it applies just as much to any religion.
-Let me wrap this one up with some words of wisdom from myself; To believe is never difficult. Choosing not to believe when everyone else does, that is difficult.
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Posted: 14-May-2006 at 18:12 |
A very good point RoadKill, i add to this one morefact, if the God exists, so he must be an ignorant God and not omnicient how the religions claim. I mean why should he say Jesus is the son of the God in the bible and deny this in Quran?
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Posted: 14-May-2006 at 18:14 |
-Thank you Aylar... I mean Maziar .
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Posted: 14-May-2006 at 18:57 |
To answer this frequently-asked question, I will just quote what our wise friend Tobodai says in one of his posts:
Originally posted by Tobodai
There sill has been no proof and the burden of proof isnt on me. Why should U prove there is no god anymore than I should disprove the crazy homeless guys ranting about smurfs being real. WHo has time to disprove every crazy notion? No, the crazy notions must be the ones that are proven so that acually inelligent and creative people can figure out how to make real society better.
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Originally posted by Maziar
A very good point RoadKill, i add to this one morefact, if the God exists, so he must be an ignorant God and not omnicient how the religions claim. I mean why should he say Jesus is the son of the God in the bible and deny this in Quran? |
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Posted: 14-May-2006 at 19:01 |
I think God as described by most religion is an impossibility because
they are strongly reflective of the cultures that raised the
characteristic of god. In other words, God in religion (from a secular
point of view) is a literary creation of a culture.
On the other hand, there are elements in this universe that humans
cannot logically understand. So using the non-cultural non-religious
definition of god, I think God is absolute.
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Posted: 14-May-2006 at 19:05 |
[QUOTE=Imperator Invictus]
On the other hand, there are elements in this universe that humans
cannot logically understand.[QUOTE] -No, there are elements in this universe that we haven't yet found the logical reason for. This does not mean that there isn't any .
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Posted: 14-May-2006 at 19:34 |
Originally posted by Spartakus
Ask God.
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you do and tell me the answer
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Posted: 14-May-2006 at 21:59 |
Originally posted by Maziar
Originally posted by Spartakus
Ask God.
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you do and tell me the answer
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I have... he is real and not a figment of someone's imagination.
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Posted: 14-May-2006 at 22:13 |
Originally posted by Le Renard
Originally posted by Maziar
Originally posted by Spartakus
Ask God.
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you do and tell me the answer
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I have... he is real and not a figment of someone's imagination.
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Did you contact him by email?
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Posted: 14-May-2006 at 23:07 |
Originally posted by The Guardian
I recently read a post saying that Gods existence is impossible, could people try and explain that please? I would love to hear them prove it. |
Nobody can prove that "Gods existence is impossible"; unless we give a very narrow definition to "God" and "existence"
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Posted: 14-May-2006 at 23:45 |
Originally posted by Maziar
A very good point RoadKill, i add to this one morefact, if the God exists, so he must be an ignorant God and not omnicient how the religions claim. I mean why should he say Jesus is the son of the God in the bible and deny this in Quran? |
Maybe because these books were written, compiled, edited. added to, reedited, and all over a span of 2-3,000 years, by men?
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Posted: 15-May-2006 at 00:08 |
Originally posted by red clay
Originally posted by Maziar
A very good point RoadKill, i add to this one morefact, if the God exists, so he must be an ignorant God and not omnicient how the religions claim. I mean why should he say Jesus is the son of the God in the bible and deny this in Quran? |
Maybe because these books were written, compiled, edited. added to, reedited, and all over a span of 2-3,000 years, by men?
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For sure another proof for there is no God.
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Posted: 15-May-2006 at 00:17 |
Originally posted by Maziar
Originally posted by red clay
Originally posted by Maziar
A very good point RoadKill, i add to this one morefact, if the God exists, so he must be an ignorant God and not omnicient how the religions claim. I mean why should he say Jesus is the son of the God in the bible and deny this in Quran? |
Maybe because these books were written, compiled, edited. added to, reedited, and all over a span of 2-3,000 years, by men?
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For sure another proof for there is no God. |
So there are more than one proofs that there is no God. Damn, I must be really stupid to not be able to comprehent those proofs. Maziar, even if you prove that all the known religions are wrong, that doesn't prove that there is no God.
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Posted: 15-May-2006 at 04:50 |
ofcourse there is a god it doesnt matter how you call Allah, Jesus ,Tengri, God ..... And the proof is big bang. All space become with a big bang and the god is the creator of that.
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Posted: 15-May-2006 at 07:59 |
Originally posted by Roadkill
-I'll have a stab at this. I do not like to divulge information from an unfinished work(My Manifesto on the stupidity of Religion) but just for fun I am willing to do so now.
-If God exists(I'm discussing monotheistic religion on this arguement though it can be applied to all) why is his existence geographically hindered? Take christendom for instance; if God exists why did the knowledge of him have to spread from the middle east? Why didn't an Indian(Native American to be PC) become a prophet? It's quite absurd that an omnipotent god would find a few mountains or a sea get in the way of his word... This is true of any religion and so it applies just as much to any religion.
-Let me wrap this one up with some words of wisdom from myself; To believe is never difficult. Choosing not to believe when everyone else does, that is difficult.
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I fear your explanation is devoid of all logic for numerous reasons. What make you think "God" needs to initiate contact with man rather than the opposite.
Of course one needs to define God to get into this argument. Is God the Judaeo-christian God, then no such God exists.
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Posted: 15-May-2006 at 08:35 |
"I fear your explanation is devoid of all logic for numerous reasons.
What make you think "God" needs to initiate contact with man rather
than the opposite."
-Well, maybe it's because if he didn't they wouldn't know he existed. Do not pull my logic into question for it is completely sane. Even if man needed to initiate contact with God it would still not explain why that God was geographically challanged.
-Just an comment independent of your post: During this debate I've seen about eight new beliefs being founded. Everybody's going around saying "yes this is how "---------" works but I don't do this or that" in order to dodge an arguement. Either you're part of a religion or you're not so make up your minds people! I cannot argue against your own personal preferences as I cannot possibly know them. If you've custom built your own religion then i won't discuss it.
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Posted: 15-May-2006 at 09:14 |
It can be proven that a secular, non-religious explanation for the
existence of religion is to be preferred above a religous explanation,
one that attributes the existance of religion to the exitance ofgod(s):
Let's assume that religion exists because god(s) exist. Again
there are two options. 1.) either all religions exist because of god(s)
or 2.) only one religion exists because of god(s) and the others should
be explained on a secular way. I think it's quite clear that option 2.
is undefendable. That would mean that people use other standards to
judge their own religion than they use to judge others, and there's no
way one could justify that a priori.
So the other option is that all religions exist because of god(s).
Again there are two options. Either A.) the god(s) of one religion, the
one that is presumably true have caused all religions, including the
ones that are not true or B.) every religion is caused by their own
god(s) and is equally true. Again it is clear that option B. makes no
sense. It is simply not possible for all religions to be true, because
they contradict each other. It is for example not possible that both
Christianity and Hindiusm are true. That leaves only option A, but that
one makes no sense as well. This would mean that the god of, say
Christianity, have also caused hindus to be hindu and muslims to be
muslim. This of course is quite ridiculous, why would a god cause
people to believe in non-existing gods? Apart from that, this is ad hoc
and still doesn't prove one religion is true, because all religions can
claim the same thing.
Sometimes people try to avoid all this by claiming that religion is
outside reason, and that the existance of god(s) cannot be proven
rationally. This is a postion that is also endorsed by most agnostics.
This, however, means that you can't attribute any characteristics that
can be observed empirically or rationally. This makes the word 'god'
meaningless. So if you claim religion is extrarational, the phrase "God
exists" is as meaningless as "Asdf exists".
in a scheme:
Originally posted by erkut
ofcourse there is a god it doesnt matter how you call
Allah, Jesus ,Tengri, God ..... And the proof is big bang. All
space become with a big bang and the god is the creator of
that. |
and who is the creator of god?
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