Genocide of the Pontian Greeks

Originally posted by bg_turk Originally posted by bg_turk Originally posted by Spartakus Isn't this picture used by Armenians? Here you can find the same image http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Image:Geno14.JPG  So whoever put this image here, answer please who are the people on the image? Who is the one lying here Turks, Greeks or Armenians - or maybe all of them?!

LOL...so both armenians and greeks use the same picture to put  Turks in the defendant'schair before the international community?

Do these crappy propagandalists really believe that the international community is so ignorant to belive them immediately?..Maybe they wanna benefit from previous opinious held about the Turks.Let us remember the very fact that sterotypes are more likely to be effective when they agree with the prevously held opinions.

The International community should be well aware of the fact that by the treaty of Lusanne in 1923,which was signed after The Turkish Independence of War,The Greek human beings themselves acknowledged the atrocities committed by the Pan-Hellenist army,which invaded Turkey after the First world war(1919-1922).

According to this treaty Hellas was in charge of compensation for the systematic burnings of cities in western Turkey and massacres committed against the Turks.

Due to the fact that the economy of Hellas was so weak that time after the war,Greece tried to alleviate it by giving Karaagac,some territory

Fabricating history is intellectual vandalism

 

Originally posted by Jagatai Khan 353.000 Greeks... murdered by Turks? No necessary to discuss on a nonsense. Does anyone know Mr.Nakratzas here?

Yes I showed him recently as guest in the Turkish TV when spoke for Greek genocide to the Turks in 1919 as reaction of the Turkish media in Pontian genocide . Also you can buy these books from the Slanmacedonian Organization Uranio Toxo  in Greece.

 

I brought link from wiki.Moreover,you do not understand ,do you?This picture shows the tactic used by the Turks for the ethnic cleansing of the Pontian Hellens.I do not know whether this specific image shows Armenians or Pontians Hellens,maybe they are Hellens,but the ethnic cleansing of more than 300.000 Hellens of Pontus is a fact,(i do not know about the Armenians) and the specific tactic,the Light Death ,was repeadetly used by Turks.

Beware that denying the Pontian Genocide is personal insult against me,a Hellen of Pontian origin,whose relatives are mostly from Pontus.I will not tolerate to use the Armenian behaviour as a mean to justify Turkish attrocities.

I will not also tolerate to use any kind of  Hellenic brutality during the Greco-Turkish war to mislead the conversation.Nothing can justify a genocide.Such behaviour shows only weakness in finding arguments.

Originally posted by bg_turk For the Greek speakers only, here is an "interesting" site regarding the Pontians ... no offense intended! http://www.geocities.com/pontos10/index.html Disclaimer: Greek nationalist beware that the site may contain offensive material to your ego, and if you believe you are too proud to handle it, please kindly refrain from visiting. The author takes no liabiltiy for any damage that can be incurred on your national ego.

You got to be kidding!
Did you check the bottom banner-link?
It says 'find out the truth about Greek history'.
I was curious what it would be.
Then I saw the link was 'http://www.geocities.com./bulgarmak/history_greek.htm', and realized there's no reason to go further.
I won't comment arguable facts of recent history, where everyone can have his oppinion based on the numerous different sources. I'll stick to unarguable facts.
It says things as 'Cyprus was never Greek'. Well, ok...
'Decendants of Kafres from Ethiopia the Greeks. Results of scientific research in Skopje based on DNA'. Not only its unhistorical, its also racist.
'Belasica 1014. The worst crime of world history'. Yeah, right. The fact that Basil let the Bulgarian prisoners live makes him actually much more humane than most of the medieval rulers, who would massacre any city they captured.
'The origin of the word Graikos (Greek). Ancient Slavic word meaning 'sinner' Oh, of course when the Romans were calling us Greeks the 'ancient slavs' were killing mammoths in Siberia, and building igloos with their bones.
Of course then I went to the main page, to see the title 'Bulgarian human rights in Macedonia' and the joke was over. Its no fun to comment how a ultranationalist Bulgarian believes there's no such thing as Greece, and Greek nation. Pontos sector is actually minor to all the crap in this site.

Really bad for your image, bg_turk, that you tried 'to break our ego' with such bullsh*t. What you do is to provoke us, and seriously, that's how the  national egos are built. When you see Bulgarians provoking us in a such grotesk way, all you do is create a -wrong probably- despical of Bulgarians. And really, we Greeks do not have a bad oppinion for Bulgarians, at least as much as it seems Bulgarians have for us.
(This oppinion I expressed is not only based on here. It's based by my general experience in historical forums for about 5 years. Bulgarians seem to hate us, I dare say more than the Turks. The Turks are perhaps too proud of their nation, that are blind some times to see the truth. But they do not hate us. I've seen many Bulgarians infiltrating threads only to accuse the Greeks. That's  just sad).

what Bg_Turk proved,that is to say,greek and armenian propagandists use the same picture as their own victims to convince the international community is enough for me to understand how ill-fated these propagandas are.

Mr.Spartakus,your playing on emotions will get you nowhere! Poeple here have already been enough to realize that calling everything genocide has been a habit,an obsession.Plus, I personally do not give any care if you tolarete me or not. People ,who are to harm the harmony among people  of different nationalties , certainly do not mean anything to me!

I have precisely much more reasons to call what happened during trec he Greek Invasion of Turkey as genocide towards my own nation , as I have happened to see a historical record which clearly proves Venizelos's confessions on the barbarous warfare conducted by the Pan-Hellenist army during its adventure in Turkey.

Yet I will try to eschew from doing as much as possible for the fact that I do want to see a friendship between Turkish and Greek human beings.

Brainwashed people like you guys can keep up doing your mission, but please in the end ask this question to yourselves: ''what did I really happen to gain in the end?''

(B) Case studies and their comparison

8.       Turkish genocide of Armenians (Aghet), Ponthian Greeks and Assyrians in Turkey, 1914-23

 

 

 

Originally posted by xristar [QUOTE=bg_turk] (This oppinion I expressed is not only based on here. It's based by my general experience in historical forums for about 5 years. Bulgarians seem to hate us, I dare say more than the Turks. The Turks are perhaps too proud of their nation, that are blind some times to see the truth. But they do not hate us. I've seen many Bulgarians infiltrating threads only to accuse the Greeks. That's  just sad).

Ahh, let's not start with this! Cuz I could say the oposite - from my own personal observations, it seems that the Greeks hate us without any obvious reason (except maybe still being angry for taking Moesia from Byzantium?). And I've often wondered from where could this hatred come from. Why do the Greeks, only because of being generally richer, seem to do nothing but despise and maltreate us. I've heard numerous first-hand things of Greek factory owners in Bulgaria and the conditions of labour there or for the behaviour of the Greeks towards the Bulgarian "slaves" (as servants) in Greece as to second-hand humans. Not to mention for digging even further back into the past and the phanariote systematic de-Bulgarisation of the lands, still under Ottoman control. For examples of barbaric Greek (what a paradox, huh?) hatred towards Bulgarians, I could also point out one relatively popular picture from the time of the Inter-Allied War, which depicts a Greek soldier, eating a Bulgarian one (or maybe that's just some bad Greek vrykolakas (sp.?)/vampire). Do you want more examples? Or you'll say that these are nothing else but hate-instigating lies? Whatever, but even if we do hate Greeks, Greeks hate us not less! And why? I wonder even to this day - if we had problems in the Byzantine times, Byzantium is long in the past (and modern day Greece seems to emphasize more on ancient Hellas and to some way leave Byzantium on second stage). So my only answer for now is: Balkans...

P.S. With this post I do not inted to insult anyone. I don't hate Greeks, but I do want to show examples that there are Greeks who don't like us either! Peace and be careful what you say!
P.P.S. To note also about that ultranationalist propaganda site - don't get specially offended, because, typically for the Balkans, there are people in Bulgaria, just as anywhere else, who simply can't live if they don't hate and oppose anyone. And I admit that to some degree I also like the oppose people - don't know why! Maybe as a Sofianer (from Sofia), I'm to some degree also a sophist (the philisopher school) and just like to argue...


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xristar the bg_turk is known provocator. Don't fall in his trap. Always show geocities web sites in order to support his ultra-nationalistic argyments.Actually this www charactirized the Pontians as terrorists. Do you remind you something this claim ?

The Turkish writer, �mer Asan was born in 1961 in Trebizond, an area with strong Islamic traditions and with many Greek speaking inhabitants. It is where an aging community still speaks the Pontian language that is related to Greek. �mer Asan, an economist turned writer, is a Greek-speaking Turk who was driven to write Pontos Kultura in 1996. He said, "I began to search for my identity because of the fact that the language my ancestors spoke was not Turkish � At school they taught us that we were Turks � but at home, in the village, everyone in the family spoke to each other in the language we called 'Romaiika'� By asking 'Who am I?' I plunged into the unknown. I had to find the answer� I began, in amateur fashion, to collect Pontian words.  I decided to focus my research on Erekioi, my village of Of, [in Trebizond] and to study its living culture as an extant trace of Pontian culture." 

Originally, Asan's book was published by the Belge Publishing House in Turkey where it met its fate by confiscation and condemnation and its author was condemned to imprisonment of possibly between 14 months to 4 years. Asan was accused of being a 'traitor', a 'friend of Greece' and a supporter of those who wanted Orthodox Christianity restored to the chiefly Islamic Pontian region. The good news is Omer Asan was acquitted in September 2003 as a result of the abolition of Article 8 of the Anti-Terror Law. 

His book found a new life when it was published in Greece under its new title, The Civilization of the Pontos. It became one of the most important books sold in Greece. Its new publishers are Kyriakidis Publishers in Thessaloniki.   

�mer Asan described the traditions of his people from the north eastern part of Turkey known as Pontos. He vividly described the customs and "forbidden language" spoken only in the home�of traces of an ancient Greek culture that Mustafa Kemal's new "democratic" military government prefers that the world should not know about. By now, Turkey had hoped that when the survivors are no longer with us that future generations would not know Turkey was originally inhabited by Greek, Armenian and Assyrian Christians, who were either massacred or forcibly converted into Muslims. �mer Asan comes that background.   

there another two writers but I have to follow the AE rules

http://www.ellopos.net/politics/bravewriters.html

As you see  when a Muslim Pontian talk its  language that called Romeika what are the results!!!!

 

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Originally posted by bg_turk Turkish propaganda again

Do u have anything to contribute about the ethnic cleansing of Pontus ?

Or your sensitivity and compassion for minorities, ends up in Turks?