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    Posted: 13-May-2006 at 18:57

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September 1947: A female pilot of the Turkish Air Force in the cockpit.

Turkish Air Force Pilot Sahiba Gokcen
Original caption: 8/10/1953-New York, NY- Madame Sahiba Gokcen, daughter of Turkish Republic founder Kemal Ataturk, is in the U.S. escorting five Turkish air cadets, as part of an Air Force-Civil Air Patrol exchange program. The 40-year-old woman was Turkey's first and only woman air force pilot and held the rank of Major. Having over 2,000 pilot hours to her credit, Madame Gokcen believes that women can fly just as well as men and should even be used as combat pilots

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Original caption: 8/10/1953-New York, New York-: Madame Sahiba Gokoen, Turkish woman flier (seated), tells an international group of cadets about her flying experiences in World War II. The cadets are in the US as part of a group of 120 here on a exchange arranged by the Air Force-Civil Air Patrol. Madame Gokoen, the daughter of Kemel Ataturk, who founded the Turkish Republic, is escorting five Turkish Air cadets. Left to right are: Cadet Luiz Carlos Muller Borra of Brazil; Sgt. Keith Graham Jackson of England; Cadet Henri De Malleray of France; Cadet Piero Benedetti of Italy; and Cadet Per Li of Norway

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  Quote bleda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-May-2006 at 19:51

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Turkish female F16 pilot 1st Lt. Asli Senol is with her husband 1st Lt. Ilker Senol. They are at the same base but in different wings. She won several citations for her success in Agean mock dog-fights. Her success brought her a place in the wing that protects the Baltics states

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-May-2006 at 11:16

Women pilots? The world is/ has gone mad.

On a more serious note I suppose the women would be more motivated than their male counterparts. After all a man only joins the military if he cannot find a job else where a women because it signifys "independence".

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  Quote morticia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-May-2006 at 16:05
Originally posted by Sparten

Women pilots? The world is/ has gone mad.


On a more serious note I suppose the women would be more motivated than their male counterparts. After all a man only joins the military if he cannot find a job else where a women because it signifys "independence".



I disagree. It's not always about "independence" for women. In this case it's more like "equality". If she is qualified to fly a plane like her male counterpart, she should have a right to do so. That's not independence, it's job classification equality. Also, in the US, women/men don't have to join the military to fly a plane. She, like her male counterparts, takes flying lessons and takes exams to get her pilot license. Experience is gained in flight time.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-May-2006 at 00:33
Thats not the point. A young man see a military career as a last chance. A poorly paid profession which could come with a free bullet in his head. A young women on the other hand sees it in the manner you described. Which is why they always have better luck recruiting women than men.
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I heard a rumor that Sahiba Gokcen was Armenian...
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  Quote Mila Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-May-2006 at 10:05
Originally posted by Sparten

Thats not the point. A young man see a military career as a last chance. A poorly paid profession which could come with a free bullet in his head. A young women on the other hand sees it in the manner you described. Which is why they always have better luck recruiting women than men.


It may be true in Pakistan, I read you're admitting women into more areas than just the medical field now - big changes for any country, really.

I think you're comparing the wrong things, Sparten. Comparing the idea women have of 'independence', or 'doing what the men do' is an idealized feeling the same as men have the 'glory of being a soldier', the 'pride of defending the nation', etc.

The actual, realistic, life reasons why men and women join the military, I suspect, are probably similar to each other. Money, work, etc.
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  Quote Lmprs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-May-2006 at 10:15
Originally posted by mamikon

I heard a rumor that Sahiba Gokcen was Armenian...

I never heard about her ethnicity. What is your source?
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  Quote DayI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-May-2006 at 10:27
Originally posted by mamikon

I heard a rumor that Sahiba Gokcen was Armenian...
i dont care about her origin, i care for what she showd to the world what a women can do.
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Biography

Smaranda Braescu was bron in a small Moldavian village the daughter of poor peasant farmers. In spite of the familys limited resources the child is sent to school and later to college in the nearby city of Barlad. Here, in 1912, at the age of 15 Smaranda witnesses the first landing of an airplane, an event which was going to change her life. Six years later, at the Aviation training School of Tecuci, Smaranda flies for the first time. Next comes her being acquainted with the parachute jumping in Bucharest, whilst a student at the Fine Arts School in 1928. That same year she jumps from 600m altitude, which makes her the first Romanian female parachutist and only the fourth one in the whole world. This debut promts her in beating first the European record, which was held by germany, at 4,000, a feat which she achieves in 1931 by jumping from 6,000 m altitude, for which she receives the Romanian Golden Cross of Virtutea Aeronautica. The following year, in the United States, in sacramento, Braescu establishes an absolute world record, previously held by an American at 21, 733 ft, by jumping successfully from 24,000ft (7,200m). From then on she becomes a heroine, being escorted by 30 other planes to an air show in Canada where she is invited. In America, she3 declines commercial stunt shows which would have made her a rich woman (see quote) anly to return to Romania. En route she is feted in Italy by the Minister of Aviation in Genoa and is invited to meet the Pope.

In 1932, receiving her pilot licence she establishes another record by crossing the Mediterranean in a Milles Hawk plane which she bought. The trip of 1,100 Km took 6hrs and 10 minutes. A Romanian senator proposes Braescu for honours which she never gets, in a country where wome were more appreciated for their decorative qualities then for their achievements. With the advent of the second world war Smaragda Braesci enrols with other women pilots in the White squadron, active on the eastern front where Romania was trying to retrieve from the Soviets the provinces taken by Russia as a result of the Hitler-Stalin Pact. After 1944 Braescu joins the 13th squadron which fights the Germans on the Western front, first in Transylvania, thenm in Hungary (Nyiregyhaza ,Miskolc) and Czechoslovakia (Rimaska Sabota, Trencin and Piestany). Although a war hero Smaranda Braescu soon fall foul of the Communist puppet regime, installed in Romania by Stalins armies. She protests to the United Nations about the legality of the 1946 elections and her letter of protest to the Allied Command in Romania falls in the hands of a Russian general. From now on Smaranda Braescu becomes a pariah and has to join the underground resistance in order to escape emprisonment and sure death. She operates under an assumed name first from a convent and then from the maquis. She dies of cancer at the age of 51, being buried at Cluj, under her alias name of Maria Popescu, a grave on which her merits and real identity cannot be spelled out. The people who helped her are hounded out and given long prison sentences.

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  Quote Goban Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-May-2006 at 02:23
Originally posted by Sparten

Women pilots? The world is/ has gone mad.

On a more serious note I suppose the women would be more motivated than their male counterparts. After all a man only joins the military if he cannot find a job else where a women because it signifys "independence".

 
One of my first flight instructors was a woman. Probably one of my best.
 
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Speaking of women pilots, I wish I had the time to write about a pilot by the name of Willa Brown. If you can-research her, her story is that of inspiration.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-May-2006 at 09:20
I was just joking around about women pilots in generalLOL. But I do have a firm belief that women and machinary do not mix. Before you all come down on me please be advised that I am trying (and failing) to teach my younger sister how to drive, which is the cause of said opinion.
 
But women in the military is a serious issue, and a very contempory one.
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  Quote morticia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-May-2006 at 15:22
Originally posted by Goban

Originally posted by Sparten


Women pilots? The world is/ has gone mad.


On a more serious note I suppose the women would be more motivated than their male counterparts. After all a man only joins the military if he cannot find a job else where a women because it signifys "independence".



One of my first flight instructors was a woman. Probably one of my best.




Speaking of women pilots, I wish I had the time to write about a pilot by the name of Willa Brown. If you can-research her, her story is that of inspiration.


Your are right about Willa Brown. She was the only woman in America holding a mechanic's license, a commercial pilot's license, and serving as the president of a large aviation corporation. She was an extraordinary woman, I agree!
     


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