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There are 33,000 Tajiks in East Turkestan (E.T.). Most of them live in the Tashkhurgan Tajik Autonomous County. Some live in Yarkend, Yopurgha, Kharghilikh and Guma counties.


Tajik language belongs to the Pamir branch of the Iranic Language Group of the Indo-Euoropean language family. Tajiks in E.T. generally use Uyghur alphabet.

They look more European than the Tajiks in Tajikstan or even Persians in Iran.


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  Quote Uyghur Oghli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-May-2006 at 19:34
Uyghurs in E.T.:






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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-May-2006 at 19:52

They look more European than the Tajiks in Tajikstan or even Persians in Iran.

I don't know what the relevance of what you said there is, and your perception of Europeans seems somewhat flawed, the pictures you posted have show strong Sino-Turkic admixture, like other Tajiks.



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  Quote Uyghur Oghli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-May-2006 at 20:14
What I'm saying here is that perhaps because of their relative isolation (they live high in the Pamir plateau) than the rest of the Turkic inhabitants of the region, Tajiks here retained most of the physical traits of the original Indo-Euoropeans in the area. If you compare these pictures to those of Tajiks in Tajikstan or in Uzbekstan, you will see clear and distinguishable physical differences. Also, look at their traditional headdress. I don't recall seeing same features in Tajiks at the other side of the Pamir.

Please also note that the pictures in the 2nd post are those of the Uyghurs.


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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-May-2006 at 12:14
Their Tajiki Persian language indicates that they have not been isolated for all that long (maximum 1000 years).  I have seen Tajiks from all over (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan) who look similar.

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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2006 at 00:45
Originally posted by Zagros

They look more European than the Tajiks in Tajikstan or even Persians in Iran.

I don't know what the relevance of what you said there is, and your perception of Europeans seems somewhat flawed, the pictures you posted have show strong Sino-Turkic admixture, like other Tajiks.

 

Its that giant inferiority complex he's hiding. 

 

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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2006 at 00:50

Originally posted by Uyghur Oghli

What I'm saying here is that perhaps because of their relative isolation (they live high in the Pamir plateau) than the rest of the Turkic inhabitants of the region, Tajiks here retained most of the physical traits of the original Indo-Euoropeans in the area. If you compare these pictures to those of Tajiks in Tajikstan or in Uzbekstan, you will see clear and distinguishable physical differences. Also, look at their traditional headdress. I don't recall seeing same features in Tajiks at the other side of the Pamir.

Please also note that the pictures in the 2nd post are those of the Uyghurs.

Actually you can find Tajiks in Tajikistan wearing the same kind of headdress.  Also the nomadic Tajiks that occupy Tashkurghan, Badakhshan also wear a similar headdress.  That similar headdress is also worn by fellow Uzbeks, and even the Aimaq Turks in Afghanistan.

There is a fusion, especially in Badakhshan of Afghanistan between Tajiks and Uzbeks.  Sometimes its hard to tell one from the other as their culture is almost identical and most can speak Persian.  The Tajiks of China speak mostly a Turkic language.

Here are some different ethnic garbs from different regions of Afghanistan:

 



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  Quote raygun Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2006 at 05:00

Very interesting & beautiful costumes.

Are there any similarities to the costumes of the ancient Persians?

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Yes... and modern ones. Kurdish women's dresses are also very similar.
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kurdish/ghashghai style
gilani style

 kurdish/ghashghai style
 gilani style

Also various pictures in this link with traditional clothing.

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10142&am p;KW=parade




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I camped in Tashkorgan for about 4-5days.  It was the best time of my life, took a 4 hour hike up to Muz Tagh Ata, I never walked to hard in my life.  We met many mountain climbers up there from all over the world, even some from just a couple towns away from my home here in New Jersey.  During a really bad hail storm some Uygur nomads invited us over to their ger for some bread and milk, one of the women there...her grandfather migrated from Turkey to Tashkorgan, East Turkistan during the Ottoman Empire, she's part Turkish and part Uygur.  I'll post some pics of me in Tashkorgan later.
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Yes that's me on the horse above.  The picture of the two tents next to the car is the spot we camped at the whoe time.  The gers next to that is of some random nomads we crossed.  The pictures on the very right are of a village of semi-nomads, where I met the Turkish/Uygur woman.
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  Quote barbar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2006 at 23:55

 

Thanks Uyghuroghli for these beautiful pictures.

 

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  Quote barbar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-May-2006 at 00:05
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Originally posted by Zagros

They look more European than the Tajiks in Tajikstan or even Persians in Iran.

I don't know what the relevance of what you said there is, and your perception of Europeans seems somewhat flawed, the pictures you posted have show strong Sino-Turkic admixture, like other Tajiks.

 

Its that giant inferiority complex he's hiding. 

 

What's this freaking out guys?  He is just trying to say that these people have preserved their racial and cultural originality due to the special geographical location they are habitating.

Zagros, what do you mean by "Sino-turkic"?

 

 

 

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What's "Sino-turkic"? We have nothing to do with them. Chinese people don't look like that, but this... http://www.shanghaining.com/contests/beauty/gallery.php?voti ngMonth=200507 
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-May-2006 at 05:29

I used it because I didn't want to say Mongoloid; the area has been settled by many various people and they have all left their legacy.

 

BTW: I didn't freak out.

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  Quote barbar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-May-2006 at 22:18

 

You could have used scientifically correct term Turanoid.

If you think there is obvious Chinese influence, then you are wrong. Chinese migration is just recent event. Islam and their rich culture has been keeping Uyghurs from intermingling with Chinese.

 



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  Quote Qin Dynasty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-May-2006 at 10:32
Originally posted by bigtoothbrush

What's "Sino-turkic"? We have nothing to do with them. Chinese people don't look like that, but this... http://www.shanghaining.com/contests/beauty/gallery.php?voti ngMonth=200507 
 
 
They are also Chinese people, they might not be Mongoloid but they surely are Chinese. I hope u did not make that statement on purpose. It was bordering Han chauvinism.
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