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Topic: Athens 2004: Iranian world judo champion refuses to face Israeli Posted: 01-Oct-2004 at 02:14 |
Evildoer, i agree with you in the non-recognition of the Israeli state in politics, my point was, as you stated "but bringing that this far is not much to my taste". I fully agree with you.
And i still dont get how refusing to fight him proves anything, if you dont like his country so much why not beat him to a pulp and dedicate the victory to whatever political belief you hold? You're only giving him a better chance to win a medal .
But i mean, hes got all of us talking about it, so i guess he was successful in getting his point across, no? But personally, i would rather be remembered as being the noble fighter who trounced his opposition and dedicated his victory to whatever belief he held, rather than be remembered as the guy that didnt suit up to fight. But thats just an opinion, afterall.
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Posted: 01-Oct-2004 at 01:05 |
I agree. I cannot stand people who talk about "nobility of athleticism". In sports, you crush your opponent, fairly if possible, fouly if you can, especially in olympics.
This is not racism Armenian. It is a political stance. No one can deny that Israeli athlete represents Isarel as a political entity. I agree with non-recognition of Israeli Apartheid State in politics but bringing that this far is not much to my taste.
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Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 20:21 |
Hey all,
Olympics is about politics as much as NFL is about business.
Peace,
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Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 14:51 |
Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer
remember what happened at a previous soccer FIFA coup when the Iranian goverment ordered to the players do not exchange the t shirts with thew US players at the end of the game.
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Jalisco Lancer brings up a good point--has anyone here considered that this guy might have been forced by the Iranian government to not engage in the match against the Israeli?
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Posted: 07-Sep-2004 at 19:54 |
Wow. How stupid can you get. "You refused to compete for your nation, so heres $125,000 as a reward for your bravery".....give me a break. What a disgrace to athleticism. Such a contribution to anti-racism and fair-play cant go unrewarded i guess.
And how do they know he would have won the gold...according to reports he was overweight and wouldnt be able to compete in the first place. "Heres $125,000 for not training properly and not being able to compete in your weight class." Idiots.
Hey, if its that easy ill just enter the olympics, i wont train properly, and refuse to fight all my opponents because i dont believe in any other state besides Armenia. Give me the $125,000, ill do more good with it than that blundering retard. Draw the line somewhere, people.
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Posted: 07-Sep-2004 at 19:32 |
Iranian paid $125,000 for Olympic no show
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran have given judo world champion Arash Miresmaeili a $125,000 (70,000 pounds) reward, saying he sacrificed a gold medal at the Athens Olympics by refusing to fight an Israeli, a sports official says.
State television showed Miresmaeili at an award ceremony receiving the same sum as Iranian Hossein Rezazadeh, who took the super-heavyweight weightlifting gold at the second Olympics in succession.
"He would definitely have won a gold medal if he had taken part," the sports official, who declined to be named, said on Tuesday.
"By refusing to fight, Miresmaeili followed the policies of the country," the official added.
Iran has refused to recognise the Jewish state's right to exist since its 1979 Islamic revolution.
The International Judo Federation had considered a sanction against Miresmaeili during the Games but concluded that he had been overweight for the fight and could not have taken part.
The International Olympic Committee (news - web sites) also did not take any action.
Miresmaeili was drawn against Israel's Ehud Vaks in the first round of the men's under 66 kg category in Athens. After officials said initially he would not fight against an Israeli, Miresmaeili was eventually scratched because he was overweight. |
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Posted: 07-Sep-2004 at 03:43 |
i havent read the above posts, so if i am saying something that has already been said, sorry.
I think if it was out of love for Palestine, I would have done the
noble deed and beat the crap out of him. That seems more logical
then backing out and giving him a better chance at winning.
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Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 09:31 |
Originally posted by Yiannis
Not quite, you can bring food to the place where the sport will take place but you have to consume it before you enter the stadium.
In the stadium you can buy snacks. Cola costs 1,2 Euro, sandwiches 3 Euro and small bottled water 0,50 Euro. (Been there ;-) |
Yeah, that's what I said... Outrageous.
When it comes to the signs on clothes, yesterday I entered wearing a T-shirt with Nike written over it (not very big though) and no-one said anything. I guess much of this is just talk... |
Nike is a large Olympic sponsor... And it's not just talk, they interviewed a British woman who was refused entry because she had a company name on her top.
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Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 07:29 |
Originally posted by Styrbiorn
Agree with that. In Athens, you aren't even allowed to bring food (!!) or water (!!!!!) to the stadiums since the sponsors demand that the audience must buy their own overpriced wares. Hearing that on the news really pissed me of. |
Not quite, you can bring food to the place where the sport will take place but you have to consume it before you enter the stadium.
In the stadium you can buy snacks. Cola costs 1,2 Euro, sandwiches 3 Euro and small bottled water 0,50 Euro. (Been there ;-)
When it comes to the signs on clothes, yesterday I entered wearing a T-shirt with Nike written over it (not very big though) and no-one said anything. I guess much of this is just talk...
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Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 07:03 |
Blech, commercialisation of sport is annoying, but at least we can
still get coverage, the worst would be if you had to pay for some
special subscription channel just to be able to watch it.
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Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 05:35 |
Originally posted by Styrbiorn
Agree with that. In Athens, you aren't even allowed to bring food (!!) or water (!!!!!) to the stadiums since the sponsors demand that the audience must buy their own overpriced wares. Hearing that on the news really pissed me of.
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Yeah, isn't that an utter absurdity? And there is more: if you are wearing clothes with a visible sign of their manufacturers and the latter are competitors of one Olympic Sponsor, they can prohibit your entrance into the stadium! Or maybe strip you and let you pass without clothes
Outrageous, really!
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Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 05:15 |
Originally posted by Rebelsoul
I'd rather have Olympic used as a political window, than the way they are now: used as a great showoff for gazillions of great corporations, who are promoting their goods to the widest possible audience. Of course, the best would be to keep both politics and consuming passions out of this...
Truely, the ancient Greeks despised commercialization and would completely loathe the disgusting current trend.
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Agree with that. In Athens, you aren't even allowed to bring food (!!) or water (!!!!!) to the stadiums since the sponsors demand that the audience must buy their own overpriced wares. Hearing that on the news really pissed me of.
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Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 05:08 |
I'd rather have Olympic used as a political window, than the way they are now: used as a great showoff for gazillions of great corporations, who are promoting their goods to the widest possible audience. Of course, the best would be to keep both politics and consuming passions out of this...
Truely, the ancient Greeks despised commercialization and would completely loathe the disgusting current trend.
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Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 05:00 |
Originally posted by TheDiplomat
well-said Vagabond!
But The Olmpics have always been used in a political window also.
Started first in 1908,The Finnish competitors refused to competite under the Russin Flag..
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That's quite a different thing though. Say if the Americans would conquer Turkey, would you want to compete under the American flag?
The other examples I agree on though, and they are sad.
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Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 04:49 |
If he was to sympathize with Palestinians, wouldnt it make more sense if he kicked the Israeli guys ass? And if he just didnt want to touch a Jew, thats pretty sad as well as amusing. I dont particularly love em, but does he think they have cooties or something?
And why would you give up a gold medal and the chance to win your country more respect, when all youre doing is giving the Israeli guy a better chance to win the tournament?
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 06:21 |
A few days ago 'Olympia' (the movie made by Leni Riefenstahl about the 1936 Olympics) was shown on television. It's often said that it is a propaganda movie, but IMO it isn't. At least I haven't heared any racist statement. The only thing I noticed was when they summed up the competators: "The German A, The Finn B, The Japanese C, The Black American D". But I think other European countries and the US would have done the same thing.
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 05:26 |
1936 Berlin...Hitler left stadium not to shake hands with a Black competitor... |
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May bad, though i was half right, the tale is a popular myth, but the details a little different.
Read here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Owens
In particular:
A persistent myth has grown up that Hitler had intended to use the games to promote "Aryan superiority", and was in the
stadium for some of Owens' events but had refused to acknowledge him after his remarkable performances. In fact, in Owens'
Autobiography, The Jesse Owens Story, Owens himself recounted how Hitler had stood up and waved to him:
"When I passed the Chancellor he arose, waved his hand at me, and I waved back at him. I think the writers showed bad
taste in criticizing the man of the hour in Germany." - Jesse Owens, The Jesse Owens Story, 1970.
In what was to become an act of extreme irony, the American president of the time, Franklin D. Roosevelt, then involved in an
election and concerned about the reaction in the USA's southern states, refused to see Owens at the White House: Owens was later
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What an Ironic twist of truth.
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 05:19 |
well-said Vagabond!
But The Olmpics have always been used in a political window also.
Started first in 1908,The Finnish competitors refused to competite under the Russin Flag..
Without doubt,the worst events took place in 1972 Olympics of Munchen...
The 1980 Moscow Games were boycotted by 65 countries! in order to protest the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan...
And 4 years later,The East Block boycotted the 1984 Los Angeles Games for this time...
1936 Berlin...Hitler left stadium not to shake hands with a Black competitor...
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Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 15:19 |
He shouldn't get a reward of any kind for this - His behavior is completely against the spirit and meaning of everything that the Olympics stand for. It's a shame that so often today politics and prejudices are superimposed on the few events like the Olympics that exist to try and rise above the muddle that the world is in and have everyone share in a common celebration.
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Posted: 16-Aug-2004 at 13:30 |
remember what happened at a previous soccer FIFA coup when the Iranian goverment ordered to the players do not exchange the t shirts with thew US players at the end of the game.
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