Persia & Islam, questions plz?

Originally posted by Mullah Ganstar yes i want iran to be govern by zoroastrian, and yes i m a persian extremist.   I think you should both stop posting because you really confused. Iranian4life you seem having 18 years old am i right? be arfahe  khale aryan goosh kon, bad nemige, pfff you baby

our iranian moderator has banned iranic extremists before, dont think you will be an exception. as maziar said, we wont miss a person like you.

pan iranism is dead, lets leave it that way, and please dont start pan persianism bs in here.

Originally posted by azimuth Mullah you seem to be the baby here, you cant handle any idea that is different from yours. now please stop telling people to post or not to post thats my business, you didnt give reasons why Zoroasterian iran is the true identity of iran. you know that iran was not isolated, their religion and clulture was influenced by they regions near by such as indian and mesopotamians. there is no such thing as pure civilizations which done everything from scratch and that includes iran too.

Oh really? can you tell me something that I don't khnow plz.

I nerver said Persia was a pure civilization. Persian writting was related to sumerian... Zoroastrism is hugely related to vedas. I mean by true identity: an identity without islam and without arabian word in farsi. And all iranians have to reconize their aryan past as the craddle of modern monotheist religions.anyway islam will someday desepear from Iran.  

I think persians hate arabs

I don't know & I don't calim or disclaim this letter is reliable, & I think it said all, even it has been written in modern day

From: Omar Ibn Al Khatab Khalifat Al Muslemin
To: Yazdgird III Shahanshah of Persian Empire

Yazdgird, I see not a fruitful future for you & your nation unless you accept my offer & commit Bei'at (Joining with Khalifat & bringing Islam). Once upon a time your land ruled half the known world but what has it come down to now? Your troops are defeated in all fronts & your nation is bound to collapse. I offer you a way to rescue yourself. Start praying to a mono God, a single union God, the only God who created everything in the universe. We bring you & the world his message, he who is the true God. Stop your Fire Worship, command your nation to stop their Fire Worship which is false; join us by joining the truth. Worship Allah O Akbar the only true God, The creator of universe. Worship to Allah & accept Islam as your salvation. End your Pagan ways & your false worships now & bring Islam so you can accept Allah O Akbar as your savior. By doing so, you will find the only way to your survival & peace for Persians. If you know what is best for Ajam (Arabic term for Persians meaning Retarded & Weird), you will choose this path. Bei'at is the only way.

Allah O Akbar
sign,
Khalifat Al Muslemin
Omar Ibn Al Khatab


And here is Yazdgird III, famous respond to Omar:

From: Shah of Shahs, Shah of Persia and Beyond, Shah of many Kingdoms, Shah of Aryans and Non Aryans, Shah of Persians and many other races as well as Arabs, Shahanshah of Persian Empire, Yazdgird III Sassanid

To: Omar Ibn Al Khatab, Khalifat of Tazi (Persian term for Arabs,


In the name of Ahura Mazda, creator of Life & Intelligence,

You in your letter wrote that you want to direct us towards your God, Allah O Akbar, without having the true knowledge of who we are & what do we worship! It is amazing that you occupy the position of Khalifat (Ruler) of Arabs, yet your knowledge is the same as a lowly Arab rambler, roaming in deserts of Arabia, & same as a desert tribal man!

"Little Man" ( mardak) you offer me to worship a united & single God without knowing that it has been thousands of years that Persians worship the mono God & they pray to him Five Times a day! In this land of culture & art this has been the normal path of life for years.

When we established the tradition of hospitality & good deeds in the world & we waved the flag of "Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds" in our hands, you & your ancestors were roaming the deserts, eating Lizards for you had nothing else to feed yourselves & burying your innocent daughters alive (an old Arab tradition, cause they preferred male children to female)!

Tazi people have no value for God's creatures! You behead God's children, even the POWs (Prisoners of War), Rape Women, bury your daughters alive, attack the Caravans, mass murder, kidnap people's wives & steal their property! Your hearts are made of stone, we condemn all these Evil which you do. How can you teach us Godly Ways when you commit these action?

You tell me to stop my Fire Worship! Us, Persians see the Love of Creator & power of inventor in the light of Sun & warmth of Fire. Lights & Warmth of the Sun & Fire makes us see the light of truth & warmens our hearts to the creator & to one another. It helps us to be kind to one another, it enlightens us & makes us to keep Mazda's Flame, alive in our hearts. Our lord is Ahura Mazda & it is strange that you people also, just discovered him & named him Allah O Akbar! But we are not the same as you, we are not in the same level as you. We help other human being, we spread love among humanity, we spread Good throughout the Earth, we have been spreading our culture but in respect for other cultures throughout the whole world for thousands of years, yet you in the name of Allah invade other men's land! You mass murder the people, create famine, fear & poverty for others, you create Evil in the name of Allah. who is responsible for all this catastrophe?

Is it Allah who commands you to murder, pillage & to destroy?
Is it you the followers of Allah who do this in his name?
Or Is it both?

You have risen from heat of the deserts & burnt out infertile lands with no resources, you want to teach people the love of God by your military campaigns & the power of your Swords! You are Desert Savages, yet you want to teach Urban people like us who lived in the cities for thousands of years, the love of God! We have thousands of years of culture behind us, a powerful tool indeed! Tell us? With all your military campaigns, barbarianism, murder & pillage in the name of Allah O Akbar, what have you taught to this Muslim Army? What knowledge have you taught the Muslim that you also insist on teaching it to non Muslim? What culture have you learned from your Allah, now that you want to force-teach it to others?

Alas, Oh Alas...... that today our Persian Armies of Ahura have been defeated from your recently Allah Worshiping Armies; Now, our people have to worship the same God, the same Five times a day, but forced by the sword to call him Allah & pray to him in Arabic, cause your Allah only understands Arabic!

I suggest, you & your gang of bandits pack up & move back to your deserts where they are used to live. Take them back where they used to the burning heat of the sun, tribal life, eating Lizards & drinking Camel Milk. I forbid you to let your band of thieves loose in our fertile lands, civilized cities & our glorious nation. Don't turn these "beasts with hearts of stone" loose, to mass murder our people, kidnap our women & children, rape our wives & send our daughters to Mecca as slaves! Don't let them do these crimes in the name of Allah O Akbar, put a stop to your criminal behavior.

Aryans are forgiving, warm, hospitable, & decent people and everywhere they went, they have spread seeds of friendship, love, knowledge & truth; therefore, they shall not punish you & your people for your pirate ways & criminal acts.

I beg you to remain with your Allah O Akbar in your deserts & do not move close to our civilized cities, for your believes are "Much Fearful" & your behavior is "Most Barbaric"!

sign,


Yazdgird III Sassanid


Edited by Land of Aryan

Originally posted by Land of Aryan LoL, Didn't you understand our problem with arab yet??? about Indian, 1st we were one nation, then departed about writing, We adopted it by our will but Arab imposed their rule, language, religion to us by SWORD even You have never wonder about Iranian name after invasion, Arab force us to change our name to arabic one

no it seems that you dont understand the problem of your identity crisis.

as i mentioned in another thread , Arabic language became official language for all the Caliphat not only in iran and it was a decision of one caliph.

its a fact that when Arabs ruled iran there were Millions of zoroasterians still in iran and practicing their religion.

its a fact that mass force conversion to islam happened when Iranians took over from arabs and ruled themselvs.

its a fact that Iranians had the power to chose what they want and what they dont want , proofs of that they brought back Persian language as the official language of Iran, they Chose to continue using Arabic script and they Chose to keep staying muslims and chose to force other iranians to islam.

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 you and other iranians whining all the time about that islam was forced upon your fathers and they pretended to be muslims fearing Arab swords

thinking thats defending your fathers? i see that as insulting your fathers, your fathers were far away from Arabs swords for more than 1100 years, you insulting their intellegence?

the last shah was proud iranian he called himself "light of Arayan" still his name is Muhammed Riza ! why not change it to Korosh Darushi?

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it seems like some of iranians see things only to two colors black or white,

Khomeini and the current regime are not good? oh ok then everything related to them is not good, including their religion, and calling them Persian speaking arabs and calling them azaris/

why cant you admit that Iranians did most of the things by themselvs?

again Arabs gone from iran long long time ago, and they left iran with millions of zoroasterians, the rest is Iranian/Iranian thing has nothing to do with Arabs.

 

I believe even with mogolians, greeks, turks, arabs invasions..  persians always absorbed their enemy and kept their aryan identity, that's why Iran is for me a mystic and magic country. But now i think Iranians are really angry against arabs. The islamic revolution brought the second diaspora of their history. Iranians don't like to live far from their land because they love iran. I believe also that islam will desepear from Iran.

i dont see any of that relevant to my post to you, actully what you posted is off topic.

what arabian gulf had to do with this?

what are you talking about me denying what you wrot? i didnt even talk about many of the things you mentioned.

i see your english is good enough to understand what i wrote, but its look like you have "extra" interpetations i didnt even say and you are accusing me of saying

hmmmm...  imagination maybe?

you better read what i wrote and understand them instead of making your own version of what i wrote, people will start calling you crazy .

now keep on topic and if you have nothing to say on my replays them better not to post at all.

thanks.

 

Yes i am awar of all that books were burned and spulled in water, girls and women were forced to marry arab conquestors in the same night their fathers and husbands were murdered. Water mills were driven by young Persian man's blood. But keep in mind the new generation of arabs today has nothing to do with that, what Iran suffered as Arabas muslims invaded us. So don't talk about hate, it will infect your souls. Germans today have nothing to do with the holocaust, and the upcoming generation of Serbia can't be condemned for what their fathers done to Bosnians.

If you disslike Islam, go ahead. You don't have to respect Islam or any other ideologies you disslike, but you have to respect the humans. I don't offend muslims and arabs, i respect them becouse they are humans, but i have no respect for Islam.

@Maziar:
I know & I agree,
but here we have Mr. Moderator who closed his eyes & deny everything.
I can't endure when Mr. Moderator remark Persian gulf & then back & respond that we have identity crisis

Originally posted by azimuth no it seems that you dont understand the problem of your identity crisis.

lol, iranians dont have an identity crisis, we know who we are. unlike arabs, who are in the habit these days of claiming everything to try and create the type of identity they want.

Originally posted by azimuth as i mentioned in another thread , Arabic language became official language for all the Caliphat not only in iran and it was a decision of one caliph.

how would you know the truth? you are living in the same country that makes it illegal to use the term Persian Gulf, ofcourse they are going to teach you that arabs were the good guys and iranians were the bad guys and that arabs have never done anything like forcing their beliefs on others.

Originally posted by azimuth its a fact that when Arabs ruled iran there were Millions of zoroasterians still in iran and practicing their religion.

it is also a fact that millions had to flee iran just so they wouldnt be FORCED into islam. today, only tens of thousands of iranian zoroasters have managed to keep their religion alive.

the rest were either killed, forced into islam, or fled.

Originally posted by azimuth   its a fact that mass force conversion to islam happened when Iranians took over from arabs and ruled themselvs.

o really, under iranians, and not during the 222 year arab occupation?

Originally posted by azimuth its a fact that Iranians had the power to chose what they want and what they dont want , proofs of that they brought back Persian language as the official language of Iran, they Chose to continue using Arabic script and they Chose to keep staying muslims and chose to force other iranians to islam.

no, the occupied almost never have a choice.

iran was occupied for 222 years, and some of the things forced on us stuck, other things were brought back to life.

Originally posted by azimuth  you and other iranians whining all the time about that islam was forced upon your fathers and they pretended to be muslims fearing Arab swords thinking thats defending your fathers? i see that as insulting your fathers, your fathers were far away from Arabs swords for more than 1100 years, you insulting their intellegence?

are you saying arabs are inferior and that us by saying that you guys were able to force yourselves unto us is disgraceful?

i dont know about you, but i consider arabs the equals of all other humans, and the arabs having the upper hand for 222 years is not a disgrace to our ancestors, nor is it a disgrace for us fighting for our ancestors rights today.

you think iran went from a highly nationalistic patriotic zoroaster state under the sassanids to a muslim state because iranians wanted that to happen?

OMG, you are plain ridiculous azimuth, the 222 year arab occupation had nothing to do with it?

lol, we can tell that the arabs never forced anything on others by the way that north africa and the middle east have been arabised..... LOL but i guess they just chose to give up their identities to be arabs right? LOL

Originally posted by azimuth the last shah was proud iranian he called himself "light of Arayan" still his name is Muhammed Riza ! why not change it to Korosh Darushi?

like i said, some things stay, some things dont stay. 222 years is a long long time and when people are forcing you to do one thing for so long you get used to it.

Originally posted by azimuth it seems like some of iranians see things only to two colors black or white,

and grey...

Originally posted by azimuth Khomeini and the current regime are not good? oh ok then everything related to them is not good, including their religion, and calling them Persian speaking arabs and calling them azaris

we dont call them azari's nor do we call them persian speaking arabs.

lol, i dont know where you guys get these ideas from...

we do call them arab wannabees sometimes since they seem to care more about arabs than iranians.

but they are iranian.

Originally posted by azimuth why cant you admit that Iranians did most of the things by themselvs?

everything except islam, the arabic script, arabic names, etc... but we have incorporated them into our culture now anyway, and who knows one day things might change again.

Originally posted by azimuth again Arabs gone from iran long long time ago, and they left iran with millions of zoroasterians, the rest is Iranian/Iranian thing has nothing to do with Arabs.

LOL, believe what ever you want, because at the end of the day we are secure enough to know the truth.

and where do you get these "millions of zoroaster" figures from?