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    Posted: 27-Apr-2006 at 01:38
I wonder where did they live before islam ? probably just arabian peninsula.
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Are omanis pure arabs or ..?
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Arabs before Islam were scattered around the Arabian peninsula, as well as other places.  They were mainly concentrated in Yemen, as that is where the "ethnic Arabs (if there is such a thing, anyway) come from.

There were other Arab kingdoms and tribes in the Levant, too.

Omanis are Arabs.
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ofcourse there are ethnic arabs. why wouldnt there be? there are those that are ethnically arabs and there are those that are linguistically arabs.
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What was their religion before Islam? did they have one?
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The region of Oman was once known by its Sumerian name Magan. Oman constituted one of the Satrapies of the Persian Empire. It was incorporated into that empire around 563 BC. This earlier empire was succeeded by the Sassanian Empire in the 3rd century BCE.

By the beginning of the first century of the Common Era, Arab tribes began to settle in Oman. In 632, the Sassanids lost power and Arab dominance in Oman was established.

In 751, Ibādī Muslims established an imāmate in Oman. Imāms exercised spiritual leadership over the country. The Ibādiyya are a branch of the Kharijites, the earliest Muslim sect which rejected both potential successors to Muħammad's leadership. This imāmate survived until the mid-20th Century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oman
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I wonder where did they live before islam ? probably just arabian peninsula.

The northern Arabia and Syrian Desert.

Arabs before Islam were scattered around the Arabian peninsula, as well as other places.  They were mainly concentrated in Yemen, as that is where the "ethnic Arabs (if there is such a thing, anyway) come from.

Actually, the southern peoples were not considered Arabs, until Islamization took place.  If my memory serves correctly the Arabs had a nomeclature as to who were original Arabs and Arabianized "Arabs".  The people of the south were of the second category.

What was their religion before Islam? did they have one?

As with most pre-Christian religions of the ancient Middle East, the existing written materials never give names to the native religions.  Because there was a lot of intermixing of cults of gods and goddesses of various origins, we simply refer to their religions as "pagan" or "Mesopotamian".  Semitic gods (of various origins) were worshipped along with Hurrian and Hittite deities. 

In the Arabian peninsula there was the worship of local gods as well as of deities of Mesopotamian origin.  Otherwise, prior to the rise of Islam we know of tribes practicing Christianity and Judaism as well as Iranian religions. 

 



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These are their 4 famous gods:
AlLat, Manat, Uzza, Hubal
as I remember their name mentioned in Quran
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why is it that people in Arabia were not affected with Christianity...after all, Arab lands are closer to Jerusalem than Armenia or Rome...
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maybe they were/are Traditionalist.
Mohammad couldn't convert them to Islam until captured the Mecca by mighty Military.
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Originally posted by Iranian41ife

ofcourse there are ethnic arabs. why wouldnt there be? there are those that are ethnically arabs and there are those that are linguistically arabs.


How did you come to that conclusion, when the Arabs themselves have not?

Just like the Jews are debating "Who is Jewish," the Arabs are still debating "Who is 'ethnically' an Arab."

To say that "Arab" can be defined as a distinct ethnic group is false.
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Originally posted by Sharrukin

Arabs before Islam were scattered around the Arabian peninsula, as well as other places.  They were mainly concentrated in Yemen, as that is where the "ethnic Arabs (if there is such a thing, anyway) come from.

Actually, the southern peoples were not considered Arabs, until Islamization took place.  If my memory serves correctly the Arabs had a nomeclature as to who were original Arabs and Arabianized "Arabs".  The people of the south were of the second category.


The term "Arab" surfaced before Islam. 

You cannot say they weren't "considered" Arabs.  Who makes the consideration?  "Arab" is not an ethnic group.
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Originally posted by Land of Aryan

These are their 4 famous gods:
AlLat, Manat, Uzza, Hubal
as I remember their name mentioned in Quran


Three out of four were mentioned in the Qur'an, only.
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why is it that people in Arabia were not affected with Christianity...after all, Arab lands are closer to Jerusalem than Armenia or Rome...


There were Christian Arabs.  The Ghassanid Kingdom is one of the famous Christian Arab Kingdoms in history.  Damascus was their capital, and they were close allies of the Roman Empire.
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Originally posted by Land of Aryan

maybe they were/are Traditionalist.
Mohammad couldn't convert them to Islam until captured the Mecca by mighty Military.


Mohammed must have been some wizard to have done that all on his own, eh?

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon Him) didn't force anyone in Mecca into conversion.  Evidently, some of them continued to practice their religions, even after Islam had prevailed.
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Originally posted by mamikon

why is it that people in Arabia were not affected with Christianity...after all, Arab lands are closer to Jerusalem than Armenia or Rome...


People of Arabia were monotheists until tribal wars occurred between the two tribes of Khuza'ah and Jurhum.  It was all for power and for the control of Mecca; the center of pilgrimage, and thus trade.

The Jews who lived in Arabia were not Arabs.  They settled in Arabia to await the coming of the Prophet.  According to the Jewish settlers, the Prophet had to be born in Arabia.  They, however, did not expect the Prophet to be an Arab.  Therefore, Mohammed (peace be upon Him) was rejected.
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what means arab? I heard it can be define such as warrior. anyone khnows?
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what means arab? I heard it can be define such as warrior. anyone khnows?


Whoever told you that was wrong.

Arab - in the language of Arabs - means the bedouin sojourners of the desert.
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Iranians always talk about salman al farsi. You think that salman al farsi had an influence on quran and mohamed?
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Iranians always talk about salman al farsi. You think that salman al farsi had an influence on quran and mohamed?


Not on Qur'an, but definitely on the Prophet (peace be upon Him) and the Muslims.

The Prophet (peace be upon Him) said, "Salman is from us; Ahl al-Bayt," thus giving Salman al-Farsi (rAa) a status that was not given to any other companion.

Also, the Prophet (peace be upon Him) heeded Salman's (rAa) advise to dig a khandaq (trench) around Medina as a forticiation against the Meccan army.
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