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Topic: Brazils enrichment program overshadowed by Irans Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 18:54 |
Saddam was contained and he was not able to kill any more kurds... And the UN and NATO largely knew that the Iraq war was based on bullcrap that is why the US had to go in with its coalition of the willing.
The Us also backs Azerbaijan with its pseudo democratic (vote rigging) fascist government, all international observers dubbed its elections last year as a farce, yet it gets no attention like Russia's ally Belarus, which has an almost identical type of governemnt, because Azerbaijan is a US bed fellow.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 19:13 |
what do you mean by contained? did he not have control over troops? the
bullcrap being oil...but I still find that UN and NATO should have
intervened, to depose saddam.
I think the US government has criticized the the Azeri elections.
However when Aliev won, they did not press more since Azerbaijan is an
oil-rcih country, which US didnt want to be under Russian influence.
Belarus has no importance, albeit strategic. Alongside with the oil, US
hopes to use Azerbaijan, in case war does take place with Iran. But its
mostly oil diplomacy...
I doubt anyone in this board would support an anvasion of Iran, but as
it has been said, Iran is not going to be allowed to get nuclear
capacity, if not by US, then by Israel...sad, but true
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 19:16 |
well the only way is to nuke it or invade and since tehy will never know for sure whether iran is developing weapons. it would prove teh pouint that the US and Israel are teh aggressors. And no, Bush welcomed Aliyev's "re-election" - Aliyevb is even due in washington to meet bush later shortly.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 19:26 |
well obviously, if US or Israel attack they will be the agressors...but
would that matter? they would have already attacked. I seriously doubt
US will attack, but Israel might, even without public support, chiefly
because a nuclear Iran is a direct threat to Israel (under the Mullah
regime).
Israel doesnt have the capacity in troops to invade. But is has air capacity to destroy known Iranian military bases...
for Aliev's re-election and the US response see below
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2005/11/29/20 03282195
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 19:36 |
Two faced response. His re-election was welcomed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_world/4908406.stm
With no foreign support, the opposition is powerless to continue.
And even worse for Murad and Emin... the US endorses the election results. |
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 19:55 |
Indeed the Brazilian nuclear program posses no threat to the region.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 20:04 |
Well it only talks of the US gov't at the end, it says US endorses the
government. However the endorsment comes after heavy criticism. But US
has no choice but to endorse...since not endorsing basically
means not recognizing the government.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 20:09 |
Na, endorse means back or deem as acceptable. Which when considering the arms deals etc as just another side of the same american coin.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 20:13 |
They get arms because Armenians get arms (albeit less).
And they have no choice but to accept the elections now, because there
is no one else there to accept. Azerbaijan, unlike Georgia and Ukraine
has a crushed opposition. But right after elections, they were very
much so criticized. It too late to do anything about teh elections
weeks after they took place, if there is no oppisition there, that you
can fund.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 20:49 |
Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer
Indeed the Brazilian nuclear program posses no threat to the region. |
south american and africa are the only two continents with no nukes. if one nation in any of them gets nukes, that will destabilise the whole region.
if brazil gets nukes, then venezuela, mexico, argentine, chile, etc... might also persue them.
its either nukes for nobody or nukes for everybody. there should be no double standards.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 21:12 |
would you want to have a Serbian government, that of 1995 to have nuke?
double standards are very much needed...
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 21:44 |
the serbian government was not able to make nukes at the time, so no worries.
i wouldnt have wanted the soviet union to have nuke but they did and nothing happened. i dont want the UK to have nukes but they do and nothing has happened. i dont want North korea to have nukes but they do and nothing has happened....
why do we need double standards?????
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"If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 21:55 |
I think it's both natural and at the same time unfair. I am, however,
far less worried about Brazil's intentions than I am about the current
Iranian government's intentions. Not every country deserves the same
weaponry - it's not candy for kids in the 1950s. A lot of kids are too
fat for candy these days, it's for their own good.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 22:06 |
Originally posted by Iranian41ife
the serbian government was not able to make nukes at the time, so no worries.
i wouldnt have wanted the soviet union to have nuke but they did and nothing happened. i dont want the UK to have nukes but they do and nothing has happened. i dont want North korea to have nukes but they do and nothing has happened....
why do we need double standards?????
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we need the double standards because something will happen in the end and that will be indeed the end for most of us.
With this current trend of countries getting nuclear weapons - Israel, Pakistan, India, and now we have Brazil and Iran, I am becoming inreasingly worried that humanity will destroy itself through a nuclear war.
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Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 06:01 |
If Iran was after nuclear weapons it would have pulled out of the NPT when India and Pakistan went nuclear, it was the perfect excuse and it would have been exempt from any obligations. Indeed, if it had any ongoing covert programme it most definately would have done this. By the way 1998 was the year that the first Shahab 3 was successfully test launched.
Fact of the matter is, Iran is a religious nutjob country. With that said, Ayatollah Khomeini issued a Fatwa against nuclear weapons and infact was the one who canceled Iran's then on going energy programme, he did not however rule against nuclear energy, only weapons. In shiism, everything is acceptable until it has been tried out and proven unacceptable, like nuclear weapons. Iran is at the forefront of stem cell research, because they went into it without moral inhibitions and have seen that its outcome is most definately positive.
These nutty muslims follow everything their leaders demand, so you can rest assured Iran is not developing nukes.
And Iran's current government is the same government it has had for the last 25 years. The big Ayatollah has final say on everything, doesn't matter who his civil henchmen may be, whether Khatami, Rafsanjani or Ahmadinezhad.
Iran's last president promoted dialogue among nations and wanted to restore friendly ties with the US, did it happen? Ahmadinezhad has said what he thinks should happen with regard to Israel, will it happen? No, because he is just a lacky without any military power. If his words are to be taken so seriously, he has also said that Iran is a peaceful country and will never attack any other.
I personally want Iran to have nukes for th simple reason that America is out to get it, no matter what if Iran, like I said, unequivocally proves it has no nukes, the US will still insist on sanctions because it will claim the opposite. Iran must never cave in to the murderous PNAC zealots in DC, if it does, then it is doomed.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
Just have a look at what their intentions are and look how many of the bastards are in the Bush admin, it was these guys that forced the war on Iraq on the ridiculous pretence of WMD.
After the 2000 election of George W. Bush, many of the PNAC's members were appointed to key positions within the new President's administration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Ce ntury
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Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 06:03 |
guys, this is all for our "liberation" remember?
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Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 06:09 |
PNAC must be stopped before it destroys the world, americans have to elect democrats next time around or ww3 will be upon us. that should give republicans enough time to weed these nazis out.
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Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 12:49 |
I am not aware what the reason is that the Ayatollah chose to ban
nukes, but he may whenever he wants un-ban them. Right now, one
man, the Ayatollah has way too much power. If Iran does get
nukes, and they still ave this regime, then with a mood swgin, or with
a crazy new Ayatollah, Iran may attack any country. In other
countries, the nukes are more or less under the restrain of many
people...
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Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 18:41 |
He's dead. He can't unban them and fatwas are irrevocable except by the one who issued them. as was the ruling in Rushdie's case.
Either way, PNAC (AKA the neo-cons), as you can see is the problem, with their dominance in America's corridors of power is pursuing world domination, and at apparently any cost and under the same worn out pretence.
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Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 18:51 |
I trust Brazil with its nuclear enrichment program far more than how Iran is handling its own program. I know that I am a little biased by saying that because I feel like I have more of a connection with Brazil because I am latino. But never-the-less Brazil is democratic, and is truly more responsive to UN demands than Iran is at present
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