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sunstars
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Topic: 18th century Asian armies Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 16:42 |
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Which Asian army would you consider the strongest during the 18th
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 16:45 |
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this is an excellent question and the only answer can be Afsharid Iran followed by the Sikh state.
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 17:00 |
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Qing Dynasty china
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Gharanai
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Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 17:39 |
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Afghan Army under The Hotack and Durrani Dynasties.
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Posted: 11-Apr-2006 at 01:04 |
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If the Samurai were to be gathered, then them and no one could withstand such force.
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Posted: 11-Apr-2006 at 06:17 |
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Hmm how bout 300,000 samurai invading korea and being beaten by korean and ming china alliance .
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Posted: 11-Apr-2006 at 07:59 |
The 18th century would surely vary. Also are we talkng about individual armies or entire states?
In quality the Sikh army at the end of the century would be the most powerful, but I doubt they'd win a war against the entire resources of China.
In the middle of the century it would surely be the Burmese, the most forgotten empire in Asia. They conquered Thailand and beat both China and India in the space of a few short years.
In the early part of the century, it must surely be the Maharatha Empire.
Also the Afghans are worth a mention, they beat the Sikhs and Maharathas on many an occaision.
The question I find interesting is how did these armies compare to European armies of the time, in quality?
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Posted: 11-Apr-2006 at 09:31 |
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"A single French warship could destroy the whole chinese economy going up the river Chang Jiang"
-from a book the name of which I forgot.
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Posted: 11-Apr-2006 at 12:34 |
Yes, that is quite like the situation was there...
only ofcourse if they have the gunpowder needed.
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Posted: 11-Apr-2006 at 17:00 |
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Yes in The 19th century a french ship could,not in the 18th however.
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Posted: 11-Apr-2006 at 17:18 |
iran actually had a very strong army in the 18th century which was some what up to european standards, but not completely there. then eventually it got degraded to the point where we could barely fight the russians in the early 19th centure
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Posted: 11-Apr-2006 at 17:21 |
Originally posted by mamikon
"A single French warship could destroy the whole chinese economy going up the river Chang Jiang"
-from a book the name of which I forgot.
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I thaught there is a battle recorded in history by the name of Battle of Trafalgar which really makes me think hard enough to understand what you are saying...
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Posted: 11-Apr-2006 at 18:01 |
Originally posted by Iranian41ife
iran actually had a very strong army in the 18th century which was some what up to european standards, but not completely there. then eventually it got degraded to the point where we could barely fight the russians in the early 19th centure |
In 18th century, Shah Mahmud Hotak (of Afghanistan) defeated the Iranian army and seized the throne of Persia in 1722. He did all this with small number of Afghan pessants though later he was crushed by Nadir Afshar but still you shouldn't forget that. Therefore, I would say that the Iranians were week enough in the 18th century rather than 19th century.
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Posted: 11-Apr-2006 at 18:20 |
Originally posted by Gharanai
Originally posted by mamikon
"A single French warship could destroy the whole chinese economy going up the river Chang Jiang"
-from a book the name of which I forgot.
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I thaught there is a battle recorded in history by the name of Battle of Trafalgar which really makes me think hard enough to understand what you are saying... |
I personally am not saying anything, just quoting from a book. Sadly I
dont remember what book it was...there is a difference between fighting
the British navy and fighting a nation who hardly has one or has one,
but not modern...I think you under the impression that the French navy sucked...which clearly wasnt true...
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Posted: 13-Apr-2006 at 02:20 |
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Can someone explain the Sikh armies and tactics?
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Posted: 18-Apr-2006 at 15:51 |
Originally posted by BigL
Can someone explain the Sikh armies and tactics? |
I think they used some kind of hit and run tactics.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2006 at 17:33 |
Originally posted by Gharanai
Originally posted by Iranian41ife
iran actually had a very strong army in the 18th century which was some what up to european standards, but not completely there. then eventually it got degraded to the point where we could barely fight the russians in the early 19th centure |
In 18th century, Shah Mahmud Hotak (of Afghanistan) defeated the Iranian army and seized the throne of Persia in 1722. He did all this with small number of Afghan pessants though later he was crushed by Nadir Afshar but still you shouldn't forget that. Therefore, I would say that the Iranians were week enough in the 18th century rather than 19th century.
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iran was in turmoil at the time was it not?
anyway, iran defeated the portugese, russians, and the british a few times in Persian Gulf region and northern iran.
so it doesnt matter whether afghanistan was able to make a move that was successful or not, the point is that while while other nations were falling left and right to imperialist europe, iran was never captured by them. the reason is because irans navy and army was strong enough at the time to defeat them.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2006 at 17:43 |
Nader Shah's Iran, no contest. Crushed and kicked out the Ottomans, Afghans, Uzbeks, Russians, reclaimed all of Iran's lost territories and conquered India.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2006 at 17:45 |
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And yes, safavids were on their last legs and the country in tribal chaos when the Afghans invaded, wouldn't have needed much to topple them.
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Posted: 18-Apr-2006 at 17:47 |
Originally posted by mamikon
I personally am not saying anything, just quoting from a book. Sadly I dont remember what book it was...there is a difference between fighting the British navy and fighting a nation who hardly has one or has one, but not modern...I think you under the impression that the French navy sucked...which clearly wasnt true...
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Dear I didn't mean to say that the French navy sucked, and to be honest to you all I know about the Battle of Trafalgar is that the british navy won it in very compresive way.
Any way could you provide some information regarding French navy of then...
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