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The rainbow serpent, a mythical creature widespread throughout the continent of Australia, is said to live in water.

A closer look at it reveals that these great serpent-like creatures, usually associated with the rainbow, seem to bear the closest resemblance to the Chinese mythical dragon.

The rainbow serpent is commonly depicted in its terrifying animal form, with a serpent-like body, kangaroo or horse-like head, crocodile teeth, ears or crown of feathers, long, spiked body and fish tail.

Similarly, the form of the Chinese dragon is also a compound of species: the body of a serpent with the scales of a fish, the claws of an eagle, and the horns of a deer.

There are also much deeper connotations of the two figures which suggest the links between myths in Australia and China.

The Aborigines have inhabited the continent of Australia for at least 40,000 years. Human evolution could not have taken place separately in Australia because there is no evidence of the existence of the ape-like predecessors of Homo sapiens. Therefore, the first Aborigines must have come from elsewhere.

No authority disputes that the Australians came from Southeast Asia, arriving somewhere on the northwest of the continent. It is even argued that the ancestors of the Australian Aborigines could have arrived in Australia from mainland Asia, especially China, as the Australian Encyclopaedia described in its fifth edition.

This hypothesis that there must be close historical connections between these two peoples is strengthened by some parallels between the myths from the Australian Aborigines and those of the ancient Chinese people.

The rainbow serpent, for example, is strongly associated with water, life, and of course the arching rainbow in the sky. The connection of rainbow and serpents in China is also recorded in the character of "rainbow" on bones and tortoise shells, taking the shape of two serpents. (The inscriptions on bones and tortoise shells are ancestor of modern Chinese script, dating back to 15th-12th century BC.) The current Chinese character of "rainbow" (hong) takes the radical of "worm" (chong), which etymologically means "serpents."

In addition, the Aboriginal people believe that the rainbow serpent is the creator of human beings. The counterpart in Chinese myth could be the goddess Nuwa, who, with serpent-like body, created human beings out of yellow earth and mud. Moreover, in Chinese myth, serpents and dragons are often identical.

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Another example is the close and vital bond with their land documented in the myths of both the Australian Aboriginal and Chinese people, with similar mythic motifs or themes.

In Australian myths, totem ancestors often rose up from below the earth and went down into the ground again after their travels.

In Australia, particularly in the central and northern part of the continent, the great bulk of the mythology is concerned with the origin of the totemic ancestors and their wandering and activities in the time of what Aborigines call the Dreaming or the Eternal Dreamtime.

In China, a high development of ancestral myths can also be found. Similarly, the Chinese goddess Nuwa was said to have risen out of the earth.

In Aboriginal myth, when the ancestral spirits travelled across the country, they metamorphosed into the physical features of the landscape. This motif of metamorphosis recalls the Pangu myth in China.

Pangu was the first-born semi-divine human, and it was from his dying body that the universe was formed. His eyes became the sun and moon, and his blood turned into rivers. His hair grew into trees and plants, his sweat turned into streaming rains, and it was his body that became soil, showing the paramount importance of soil or lands in the Chinese tradition.

In Aboriginal myths, sacred boards, such as churinga, are often considered to be the dwelling places of Dreaming ancestors and are the tie that links living human beings with the land.

A similar belief is also recorded in the Chinese character of "ancestor" (zu) on bones or tortoise shells. The radical in the character etymologically symbolizes erecting a stone on the earth, then on top of that placing one or two stones or boards, which are regarded as the dwelling places of the ancestors, and sprinkling human blood (usually by opening arm veins) over the stones or boards in the appropriate ritual context.

Finally, through ritual, the Aborigines believe that they can intercede with the earth to maintain or increase sources of certain foods, materials or species and to sustain the community's relationship with the land.

Likewise, in China, according to "Historical Records" (Shi Ji) by Sima Qian of the Western Han Dynasty (206 BC-AD 24), the history of the performance of rites and ceremonies to worship the earth could be traced back to the time of Wuhuai who even predated Fuxi (24th century BC).

The motif of ancestors' rising out of the earth and returning to their place of emergence shows the close links between the Aborigines and their homeland.

Myths from the Arunta and related tribes of central Australia recount how there were said to be several suns, who went up into the sky one by one.

The sun, like many of the original totem ancestors, arose out of the ground, and later, carrying a firebrand, ascended to the sky. However, every night she descends to the earth before emerging again in the morning.

The resemblance it bears to its Chinese parallel is striking. It was from Tanggu, which was a large sea far beyond the East China Sea and where the 10 suns lived (before Yi the Archer shot nine of them), that the suns took turns running along the fixed celestial orbit from east to west in the morning before returning to Tanggu in the evening.

It must be pointed out that this kind of link between people to their homeland is not usually found in nomadic societies. However, this is emphatically not the case with the Australian Aborigines.

A third example is the institution of marriage by totemic ancestors in Aboriginal myth.

Lewis H. Morgan, in his monumental "Ancient Society," describes the conjugal system on the basis of the eight classes, which prevail among Australian Aborigines. The organization upon sex has not been found, as yet, in any tribes out of Australia.

However, a typically Chinese system analogous to the eight classes is the 64 symbolic hexagrams, which are formed by joining in pairs, one above the other, eight basic trigrams (bagua). The legendary Emperor Fuxi was said to have discovered these trigrams on the back of a tortoise. In Chinese myth, Fuxi and Nuwa are patrons of the institutions of marriage.

Some Aboriginal myths explained how the ancestors came to Australia. In Northern Australian myths, ancestral beings rose out of the sea, or came to the continent from above the sea, bringing with them the ritual law and the sacred ritual objects.

A typical myth said that it was a flock of migratory birds who discovered the vast uninhabited continent. When they returned to their homeland far to the east, they told the animals, which at that time was in the form of men and women, of the land of promise. The animals then came in canoes, reached the continent and made their homes there.

The accounts of canoe journeys across the sea are historically suggestive. These accounts coincide with the records of kangaroos in "The Classic of Mountains and Seas" (Shanhai Jing) and "Huainan Zi" (a classic written in the 2nd century BC), two valuable sources of classical Chinese mythology.

Myth is said to be a kind of autobiographical ethnography by which the culture of a primitive tribe could be deduced from an analysis of its myths. Myth reflects, expresses, and explores a people's self-image and bears witness to archaic modes of thought and, sometimes, even historical events that were otherwise difficult to reconstruct or record.

An often-cited example is the Aboriginal Dieri myth of the Kadimakara monsters, which was the direct cause of the geological expedition to Lake Eyre.

As the myth described, the fossil bones of these prehistoric monsters were discovered. The parallels between the Australian Aboriginal and Chinese myths seem to suggest that the characteristic Aboriginal myths were spread by a wave or series of people moving from southern China.

It shows that, at least from the mythological perspective, there is solid ground for the anthropological hypothesis. Of course, this hypothesis could only be justified when we can harmonize this view with the evidence derived from other archaeological, geographical, linguistic, and physical sources.

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  Quote Gharanai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Mar-2006 at 17:49

Interesting, but one has to search a bit on it and check some reliable sources.
Still thanks for sharing it.



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  Quote Voyager Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Mar-2006 at 19:45
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Serpents are a common theme in the creation myths of several human cultures. They are not exclusive of China and Australia. For example, you have the serpent in the Garden of Eden in Jewish\Christian myths or Quetzalcoatl in Meso-America. I don't think therefore that there is a link between China and Australia as you suggest.
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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Mar-2006 at 20:04

Many archaeologist now believe the aboriginals headed out straight from southern africa by boat to polynesia and australia, rather than following the land route as previously thought. They also seem to have made it to America before anyone else.

I think if one was pursuing a line of early Chinese/Aboriginal contact and mythological exchange it wouldn't be too much of a stretch of the imagination to suggest the earliest contact occured with polynesia bound aboriginals landing in China and spreading their myths which became the basis of chinese beliefs.



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Originally posted by Voyager

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Serpents are a common theme in the creation myths of several human cultures. They are not exclusive of China and Australia. For example, you have the serpent in the Garden of Eden in Jewish\Christian myths or Quetzalcoatl in Meso-America. I don't think therefore that there is a link between China and Australia as you suggest.

I didnt suggest anything, i only intended to share it so may be some useful suggestions or critques can be presented by someone whos professional in this field.

 

 

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  Quote edgewaters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2006 at 22:44

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Vague similarities - particularly ones which have to do with things like animals that seem to make an impression on people - don't really suggest contact. Eg bulls, spiders, eagles, snakes, wolves, bats, cats/great cats, frogs, owls, monkeys, horses, pigs, etc. These all seem to make a psychological impression on people and it's quite natural for them to be used symbolically in early religions.

Now, if you had two groups of people that worshipped a squirrel deity or a holy gopher, I'd be a little more inclined to think that they shared something unique.

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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2006 at 06:58
Ive always thought our aborigenes came from Asia first (and went to the americas from there), just like the pacific islanders.Could any connection if there is one, to be out of aboriginal legacy?

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Genetically (Cavalli-Sforza, 1996) Australian Aborigins like Papuans belong to the Asian major branch of humankind (the other one would be the African). They are distantly related to the peoples of SE Asia, from which they branched long, long ago.

The Asian major branch splits in two: Northern and Southern. The Southern one, concentrated in SE Asia, branched soon after to produce the Australians and Papuans, who have evolved in virtual isolation for about 60,000 years.

But they seem less African than any European would be.

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Sumerian Fish Gods, Enki?

Hindi Vishnu as a Mermaid

 

Poseidon

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Fuxi

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To be honest I really think that any possible link between the people of China and Australia goes too far back for there to be solid evidence of a shared culture. Serpents and dragons are a common theme in nearly every part of the world: in Mesopotamia, in Europe, in the Americas.

It is true that both aborigines and the Chinese had a strong link to their land, but the link was very different in nature. Australian aborigines considered themselves a part of nature and were a nomadic people. The Chinese were a sedentary people who practiced agriculture. The two had attachments to the land for entirely different reasons, a Chinaman would hate to be moved from his home village because his ancestor's gaves were there. An aborigine would hate damage to occur to the land because he considers that to be his natural habitat.

As to believing that they could cause the gods to bring bounties of food, so did most other cultures. A quick look at the Assyrian Assurnassirpal's temple at Nimrud shows clearly the King in an act of bestowing fertility on the land with the aid of winged demi-god figures. Plenty of other examples exist in other parts of the world.

The problem with this article is that there are too many things which are in common between the Chinese and aboriginals which are also common traits in most other cultures in the world. It is my opinion that the aboriginals separated from mainland Asian cultures in the very distant past, 60,000 years sounds about correct. Because of such an incredible difference in time and space, the development of aboriginal culture should be seen as something which occured within the isolation of Australia/New Guinea.
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tomb of late YangShao culture which dates back 6500 years. discovered in PuYang city of HeNan province in 1987. The pattern of two creatures beside the body(made from shells) are recognized as a "dragon" to east,  and a "tiger" to west. This dragon is called "first Chinese dragon".

However

this "dragon-like" pile of stones, discovered in "ChaHai" site of LiaoNing province in 1982. 20 metres in length, its head&tail are recognizable, less reognizable of legs&feet parts. At first, people were not clear that whether its a "dragon" or not. But later, with repeated study, its recognized as earliest and biggest dragon found in China , which dates back 8000 years.

according to this site http://www.aboriginalartonline.com/culture/rainbow.php

Australian rainbow serpent is 6000, perhaps 8000years old

and earlist form of depiction of rainbow serpent

probably resembled to seadragons and pipefishes according to http://www.amonline.net.au/fishes/fishfacts/fish/htaenioph4. htm



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  Quote King Kang of Mu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Mar-2006 at 03:26

I also find it very interesting that the dragons in the East is usually something divine brings good fortune(like seeing it in your dream), but in the West they are evil monsters to be driven out.

I also find H.P. Lovecraft's fictional works on Dagon/Cthulhu fascinating also.

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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Mar-2006 at 09:50
could we then make a connection on a jungian level?

At uni i remeber there was traces of pacific island culture in very old artifacts found in parts of chine (southern?), culturally there can be a conceivable, albiet indirect, connection with even older melenesain/aboriganal groups.

ps. King Kang, i think dragons/serpents were demonised by christians. the western version has been influence by abrahamic (non 'western ) thinking.
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About Lovecraft/Cthulhu there is an interesting article by Sadowsky called In Rerum Supernatura (part of it is online at advanced google search "In Rerum Supernatura" + Sadowskwy but unfortunately it only translates half of the page.)
Tani Jantsang thinks Chinese were a cross of Mediterranean and Turanian. She said Aust Abos were one candidate for the fish race of Hindu myth. See also Epigraphic Publications.
Peking Man and Java Man said to be related.
Australoids and Ainus classified as archaic/mixed Caucasoids.
It would be better to find deity name correspondences like Awhiowhio (whirlwinds) = Indian Vayu (winds).
I have been  wanting to find out the difference between Veddoids and Dravidians.
Perhaps the Miao people of SE Asia are a link?
Rex Gilroy shows there were 2 races of fossil men in pre-hist Australia: one Lake Mungo type, the other Kow Swamp/Lake Nitchie type.
And there is of course the Mu/Lemuria theory.


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Here, what I get:

The Vedda and Veddoid people are a group much like the Negrito and Negritoids, distributed in India, Sri Lanka and all over south and southeast Asia and perhaps further afield (see our maps Fig. 34-7 and 34-8 in Chapter 34 "What does 'related' mean"). The only major difference to the Negritos is that the Veddoids have long, only slightly curled hair while the Negrito have their very tightly curled peppercorn hair. How the two groups are related is still an open question. It has been speculated that the Negrito represent the first migration of anatomically modern Homo sapiens out of Africa while the Veddoids are the descendants of the second wave. Others think that the two are different branches from the same original group. Nothing has been definitively established but hopes are high that DNA investigations will bring some light into the darkness here.


The Hmong are probably not Negrito, but close.

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Originally posted by Paul

I think if one was pursuing a line of early Chinese/Aboriginal contact and mythological exchange it wouldn't be too much of a stretch of the imagination to suggest the earliest contact occured with polynesia bound aboriginals landing in China and spreading their myths which became the basis of chinese beliefs.

No, actually im pursuing a conclusion that from comparison made between earliest depiction of these mythicserpent-like creatures in China&Australia,demonstrates its not the same concept/thing, so using serpent as an example does not suggest any cultural links between China&Australia.



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