Roman nose

 

Is the roman nose really roman?

I was thinking about that aspect of the anatomy, Roman nose is found very frequently in France (a land overwhemingly celts with little roman ancestry) and nothern Italy (an area of historically celts). Then, i came across that ancient statue of a celt featuring a gaul warrior, guess what? the warrior has a roman nose. Roman nose is not a rarity in Ireland also, take Bono for example. So is roman nose really roman? I believe since celt women were more beautiful than roman women, the leaders of Italy tended to marry those women so their descendents tend to have roman nose (which is in fact celtic nose). Roman nose is very typical and look like the beak of an eagle not to confuse with the enormous Jewish nose.

Celtic Nose historian misleadingly label as roman nose

A famous Irishman

 

Your average northern French. Typical roman nose.

 

 

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Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy I believe since celt women were more beautiful than roman women, Thats kind of hard to compare, later on alot of celts were consider Roman after being conquered and probably intermingled. The Celts of France, how strong is the bloodline in France from them? The Guals from what I heard were basicly wiped out, though don't quote me on that. The Franks and other Germanic tribes came in and settled as the new population. Though I doubt the Guals were completely destroyed, the Germanic Tribes must be the dominate bloodline now, atleast that's my guess. All I can guess it maybe Roman art created the name for it as Romans were more about showing true features in their statues and busts where as the Greeks liked to make a more beautiful image in their art over realism. Thats my guess anyways.

 

Wipe out? Far from that. Many of celtic nations of the south allied with the Romans. Many died but the France remained overwhelmingly Gallic (France had around 4 million celts at the time about 1 million was estimated killed and sent to slavery). 

 The Franks were in a majority only in areas like Ile-de-France and eastward and northward but areas like normandy were always celts inhabited by the belgica Gauls and aremoricans and later a small scandinavian minority settled there giving the place it's name. In truth the orignal french is truly a Francilian (inhabitant of ile-de-France). It was later that french became applied to everyone else.  Not a lot of romans moved  into France only the armies mostly and a few immigrants but mostly Gaul remained celt. The connaught haplotype (associated with celtic people) occur in 45% of the population, the rest include Germanic haplotype that occurs fairly frequently in the north and sardinian in the south. Foreigners like arabs are excluded because they are not french.

French language may be a latin-Frankish hybrid but her people is celt.

Well, its difficult to really think that there could be a "Celtic nose" since Celts were not an ethnic or racial group, and varied quite widely in appearance, from swarthy and dark-haired (in Spain) to pale and light haired (in Ireland).

It could be that the Gauls of France and the group known as the Cisalpine and Transalpine Gauls were somehow related. The Romans seemed to think they were, and many of the Cisalpine Gauls, in particular, became very very "Roman" - it is speculated a number of famous Romans may have actually been Cisalpine Gauls, Cisalpine Gallia being the Gauls in Italy, in the Po River Valley.

Another interesting thing is that the Romans never referred to the inhabitants of the British Isles as Celts.

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Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl  ... not to confuse with the enormous Jewish nose.

<sigh> its true.

Although many other semites seem to share this trait, too... for instance, good ole' Yasser:





or if you prefer, in worse taste:





i once heard a ridiculous theory that the massive semitic nose is an evolutionnary adaptation that sheilded the proto-semitic face from intense mediterranean sunshine.       personally, i think we just have big noses.


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Foreigners like arabs are excluded because they are not french.

Hmm, are you talking about the recent immigrants to France? If so then i am dissapointed with this racist remark. Many 1st and 2nd Generations of these immigrants considers themselves to be French, and are proud of it.

From what I understand, it's the bump in the bridge of the nose. I don't know a better word for it, but I think you might understand.

Originally posted by Maju First time I read about "Roman nose"  What's special with those noses: one is hooked and the other straight - they are totally different. I had read about "Gothic noses", "Greek noses", "Jewish noses" and "Cleopatra's nose" but "Roman nose"? Never.

 

How strange, Roman Nose is one I have come across before,(its quite famous, think Julius Cesar), but few of the other ones you mention.(Jewish and old Cleo's, I do know, both apparently huge)

I guess different countries have differing stereotypes.

 

Now, I am really curious what the "Greek nose" is like?

(I guess straight like George Michael)

 

 

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Originally posted by amir khan Originally posted by Maju First time I read about "Roman nose"  What's special with those noses: one is hooked and the other straight - they are totally different. I had read about "Gothic noses", "Greek noses", "Jewish noses" and "Cleopatra's nose" but "Roman nose"? Never.   How strange, Roman Nose is one I have come across before,(its quite famous, think Julius Cesar), but few of the other ones you mention.(Jewish and old Cleo's, I do know, both apparently huge) I guess different countries have differing stereotypes.   Now, I am really curious what the "Greek nose" is like? (I guess straight like George Michael)

Caesar's nose seems a normal nose to me - if there's such thing as a "normal nose".

Greek nose is straight, right. Most importantly it has no depression at the root, like most western (Basque?) noses do.

 

This is a pictorial repersentation of a roman nose

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Roman%20nose

I think the English actor of Jewish decent, Stephen Fry, has a perfect example of this.

Is he Roman?

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The Greek nose, which forms a straight line from base to tip, is considered the perfect nose. It indicates a gentle, peaceable nature, with a love of the beautiful--of the arts and of home. The Greek nose does not belong to the most forcible type of womanhood, but Greek-nosed women rarely are quarrelsome, and with a good, moderately large mouth, a Greek-nosed woman will usually prove a treasure.