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    Posted: 26-Jun-2015 at 21:05
Let them reign.      
Constitutional monarchy is a form of government in which a king or queen acts as Head of State. The ability to make and pass legislation resides with an elected Parliament, not the Monarch.
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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Nov-2004 at 17:11

Anarchy, Monarchy and Republic can exist together. In fact it is system which was practiced in Poland in the end of XVII and whole XVIII century. And the law in such system might be stronger than anything else, for example so called "golden freedom's" in Poland that time.

As for monarchy it can exist together with democracy, just like in United Kingdom. The main rule in democracy is equality in the face of law. Monarchy doesnt violate this rule because monarch and his/her familly are not citisens who have better rights than other citisens but they are rather some kind of institution (for sure monarch, its harder to say it about his familly).

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  Quote Yiannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Nov-2004 at 03:48
Originally posted by JanusRook

An anarchy leader, WTF!??!

 

He,ha! Exactly. The two words contradict one another. An-Archy means exactly: an: without - Arche: leadeship, ruler

So Anarchy is a society without rulers (but ofcourse with principles and ethics). A little reading of Bakunin or Kropotkin will clarify things on the issue  (or even Malatesta)

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  Quote babyblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Nov-2004 at 03:34

      what to do with them?  hmmm....sexually arouse them i think would be a great idea....better if done with a grin... ..

 

 

 

 



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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Nov-2004 at 22:53

Styrbiorn is true a dictator is a monarch, so the opposite would be an anarch........actually that's a very interesting word lets see what it means.....

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n.  An adherent of anarchy or a leader practicing it.

An anarchy leader, WTF!??!

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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Nov-2004 at 12:27
Originally posted by Tobodai

I would prefer anything over monarchy, communism, a dictator, anarchy, the system nomatter how balanced of someone being fit to rule based on their bloodline may be natural for many people but its sooooo stupid and nepotistic, and your garunteed to get many incapable rulers for each good one.


A dictatorship is a monarchy by definition. Don't confuse monarchy with absolute heriditary monarchy, something many in this thread seem to do.
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  Quote Jalisco Lancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Nov-2004 at 00:03

 

 

  Heres some ideas about what to do with the monarchy:

 

 

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  Quote Kubrat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 23:34
Originally posted by Tobodai

I would prefer anything over monarchy, communism, a dictator, anarchy, the system nomatter how balanced of  someone being fit to rule based on their bloodline may be natural for many people but its sooooo stupid and nepotistic, and your garunteed to get many incapable rulers for each good one.



In a monarchy which is not well thought-out.  The fact that the crown is guaranteed to a known person makes it very easy to train and educate the person who will become the king or queen.  So, instead of having the two questions, who governs, and to what ends, you have the one question to deal, to what ends.  You can focus the your resources there...

In fact, the one major flaw in Democracy is that Humans as pack-animals are less than rational.  So they will vote someone in office who is less than suitable for the job.  Which is your argument against Monarchy.
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 23:17

I would prefer anything over monarchy, communism, a dictator, anarchy, the system nomatter how balanced of  someone being fit to rule based on their bloodline may be natural for many people but its sooooo stupid and nepotistic, and your garunteed to get many incapable rulers for each good one.

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  Quote Kubrat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 21:45
Well, the Bulgarian King Simeon II is the Prime Minister at the moment... he was democratically elected (well the party he founded was)...

They tried to make a rule saying he couldn't run for President, he just found a loophole .

Can't say he is living up to his promises though...

By the way, I disagree with you Tobodai.  Yes, democracy is good, but in a sense, with the system of checks and balances which different factions of the people create, it is very difficult to move forward in some areas.  In a Constitutional Monarchy, that isn't the case...
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 20:59
Monarchy is the absolute worst form of government ever conceive by man, and the mere fact that it exists as a taxpayer leeching waste and nothing more should not excuse its existence.
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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 17:16

Most British Prime Ministers are very pro keeping the Queen. This is because at the moment when Tony Blair visits Holland he has to meet the Dutch PM but not the Dutch queen, that's our queens job. However when the French President vists the UK he must visit both Tony Blair and the Queen spending a few booring hour in Buck Palace sipping tea and discussing the weather.

So keeping the Queen is a good thing, if only for the fact it will annoy the French and Americans.

Former Labour leader Neil Kinnock came up with a perfect solution. A National Queen Lotrtery. We boot out Frau Windsor, Zorba, Charlie and co and each week put the name of all old age pensioners in the country into a barrel and draw out one name. That person becomes king or queen for a week!

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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 14:34

Dont you think that in the future United Europe (if there ever will be somthing like that, i think the chance that all the members will accept current project of constitutional treaty is very low) all the titles should be abolished? That those kings and queens should live for their monay (they wont be even forced to work because collected enough capital even for future generations) and that they should be treated in the same way as any other european citisen?

In my opinion monarchy is nothing more but relic of feudalism and in our times it is just an anachronism. Maybe im biased because im coming from the country where most of kings were elective and didnt enjoy much respect from their subjects (who were even refusing to call themselves subjcets and prefered word "citisen") but i dont think im so far from the viev's of majority of Europeans.

Is there anyone who belive that is worse than for example king of Spain or queen of England or Holland because he is not noble born? Is there such who think that some people should be more privilaged than others only because were born in the so called royal famillies? Or even that whole society should pay for them because they are so cool bastards or legitimate children of Lady D?



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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 14:08
Originally posted by Mosquito

Originally posted by John Doe



I'm quite happy with Queen Lizzie being the Queen, I'm just a traditionalist kind of guy...

Are the Australians paying taxes for british queen or only the Brits pay for queen, her family, her court and her palaces?



The Brits pay for it, the Auzzies get it for free and complain, AND get to call us whinging poms. This is the sacred bond that holds the commomwealth together.
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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 13:33

Originally posted by John Doe



I'm quite happy with Queen Lizzie being the Queen, I'm just a traditionalist kind of guy...

Are the Australians paying taxes for british queen or only the Brits pay for queen, her family, her court and her palaces?



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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 12:51
same with janus but talking about an elective non-hereditary monarchy if anything...
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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 10:17

To the Guillotine.

Nah actually I support the idea of a monarchy, although I do agree they don't belong in a democracy.

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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 05:31
God save the King!
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  Quote Yiannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 05:18
Off with their heads!!!
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  Quote babyblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Nov-2004 at 03:01
        don't send them over here...the last thing we need is a bunch of royals who can't even speak proper english... ...
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