Uyghur culture

 

And Azeris haven't got any oghuz tribal confederation; except for those people who were originally immigrants from Turkey.

 

Azeris, as what is believed in Central Asia (and I agree), are not of Turkic origin. Only their language is a dialect of Turkic.

 

P.S: You know, the name 'Turkmen' has been used by various people just to show they were Turk NOMADS.

With the time that I've been here I've noticed that the Uygurs, in general, have preserved their culture better than most Turks have.  A lot of Turk nations have become very westernized or Russified, as for E. T., the Uygurs here have preserved their culture very well.  As for the mentality you mentioned, you're right.  I haven't witnessed it much, not as much as you seem to describe it, yet.  But if the Chinese act this way Uygurs might have to as well.  Don't act this way towards other Uygurs but with the Chinese.

 

Turkey is just mixture in which Turks are, anthropologically, in minority. We've talked this a lot before I don't want to restart it. No Central Asian looking guy exists in Turkey except for immigrants from Central Asia or Russian states. I'm talking about the lineage. Azeri ARE Turk; because they CLAIM to be Turk. But they're COMPLETELY caucaid. By the way, Turkmens of Turkmenistan and Turkey (Iraq or Azerbaican) are quite different. In fact, Turkmens of Turkey and Iraq speak an Azeri dialect and are caucaid. And you CAN'T compare a Turkmen's nomadic culture to someone from Turkey or Azerbaican.

 

The name 'Qashqay' is Turkic; but not Oghuz. It's more likely a Kiptchak name. And Afshars in Azerbaican are Turkish immigrants. By the way, here in Turkmenistan, Afshars are classified as 'qyzylbash' which is not originally a Central Asian Turkmen. THEY CALL THEMSELVES 'TAT TURKMEN' which means 'not original Turkmen'. That's what they (and also Northern Khorasan Turks) call themselves. I told you there are lots of people outside Turkmenistan who call themselves Turkmen; but are not originally Turkmen. So, I don't accept your theory about the different Turkmens worldwide; simply because most of them believe they are 'tat Turkmens'.

 

All I mean is that, see: let anybody who wants to be a Turk, call himself a Turk. I don't believe in such a nonesense; it's kind of nationalism. But, even if a European speaks Turkic and call himself a Turk, so he's originally a Turk? I mean Azeris are mixture of Iranian (the majority) and the Turkic tribes (not even Turkmen).

 

 

It does not matter where and how many times you have been in Azerbaijan. Physical apperance is never a criterion for being a Turk.

I think you have a racistic point of view regarding Turkishness or Turkicness.

 

Millions of Turks living outside Great Turkistan  does not look like the people living in Turkistan. Also Turkestanis vary in appearance.

More Turks than Turks in Turkistan live outside Turkistan and they do not look like Turkistanis at all. According to your criteria we can not include these people in Turkish or more specifically Turkmen family?

Stop that racistic views. How Turkmen you are, so are we . So are Azerbaijani Turks . No matters if you do not accept us Turks or Turkmens, we are , we have the heritage of Oghuz Kaghan as you have.

Even if only remnan from Turkishness is language, we have it, and we will retain it.

Neither Aryan-maniacs  nor Central Asian racists cannot deprive us of being Turks.

Turkishness is not blood but feeling.

Yes we are different. But you always see the difference, even if once, try to see the commonness.

YOU JUDGE OUR TURKICNESS. But judging Turkishness of other people rquires being judged by other Turks.

 

 

That's why I said Uighurs haven't preserved their culture well. Uzbeks are consisted of 30 (or 32?) tribes. Now, some Ozbeks may not know it. But just go check Vambery's book on the part for Ozbeks.

An interesting article about Uyghur history.

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The History of Moderin Uyghur


People talking about Uyghurs must always be aware that almost each modern nation designation represents only one particular people of many different peoples who became on culture over the course of the History. Thus we call the Chinese by the name of only one of many "ethnos" who played a role in "Chinese" history. In other cases we even call a particular people by different names. In case of my people, Americans call us "Germans," a word originating from a Celtic designation for one tribe whose name was "Tongrer". Some Slavic peoples call us "Swabes," which is the name of only one of our peoples. Latin speaking Europeans call us "Aleman," which was just another tribe. Our own designation is "Deutsch," definitely a Celtic name.

Uyghur is our designation for the peoples of East Turkistan, and we are aware that only a part of the contemporary Uyghur population can be regarded as "pure" descendants of the people who once ruled Mongolia. Tocharians, �rya, Saka, Basmil, Karakhanids and many other peoples, who all became part of the modern Uyghur Nation, are -theoretically- legal designations for the Uyghur people.

No matter what we call them, Uyghurs must be regarded as the indigenous people of East Turkistan.

Uyghurs are a people with a long and amazing history that stretches back more than 4,000 years, which started with the arrival of representatives of the proto-European race, a people very similar to the ancient peoples of Russia and Northern Europe. Somewhat later, typical representatives of at least two branches of the gracile and darker complexioned Mediterranean sub branch of the greater European race appeared in the South and West, and in the eastern regions very unique representatives of a "proto-Tibetan" race mixed with the proto-Europeans. Note that this dolichocephalous race with a narrow face, very high orbits and very pronounced cheekbones had racially and culturally nothing to do with the Chinese of past and present.

In the Iron Age - or possibly much earlier - the ancient Hu-Chieh, who also are known as Kao-ch'e, settled to the North of the peoples of East Turkistan. Ancient Chinese sources say the Hu-Chieh were from a Dinlin origin. To the North of Hu-Chieh settled the Dinlin (T'ieh-l�) Turks, whom Oshanin called the "legendary blond race of Central Asia". Further north settled another race of "red haired and green eyed Barbarians" known as the ancient Hja-g'ja-sz (Chien-Kun) Turks, designated by our scholars as "Yennisey Kirkiz". The Hja-g�ja-sz became the most important enemy of the Hu-Chieh/Kao-ch'e in the days Hu-Chieh ruled over all of Mongolia.

This Hu-Chieh/Kao-ch'e we designate as "historical Uyghurs" were originally a Southern Altaic people, who may have had originated in the vast region from Hovd to Semipalatinsk. This means that they originated from a region that included large parts of Djungaria, which was, is and (hopefully) forever will be part of East Turkistan.

Iron ties always connected the peoples of the northern Oasis cities and the Altaics. Therefore the Hsiung-Nu Batur Tangriqut also attacked Hu-Chieh when conquering the Yueh-chi. It is written that the Hu-chieh/Uyghur of the 175 B.C. had been "under the control of the Yueh-chi up to that time" (History of Early Civilizations of Central Asia. Vol. 2, p.175). Somewhat later the Hsiung-Nu Chih-chih attacked the ancient Turpanliks before he finally did what was the original reason of his mission: attacking the Hu-chieh/Uyghur to the North of the ancient Turpanliks

These ancient ties makes clear why the conquest of the Turpan region by the "historical Uyghurs" was so peaceful: "Literature kept alive its former intellectual activity," the "Buddhist and Nestorian" character of the "old Tocharian country" (Grousset) was left untouched, and agriculture, which still is the main profession of the Turpanliks, was improved.

The "historical Uyghurs" neither killed the "Tocharians" nor drove them out of East Turkistan. The result of the historical Uyghur "conquest" was that the people of the Northern Oasis cities and the "historical Uyghurs" melted together to become one part of the modern Uyghur Nation.

source: http://www.uyghuramerican.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4627

So, no need to make more effort on this.