Norse tech and the settlement of the Americas

Originally posted by Hukumari ... The women of any race do NOT have the slightest effect in Y-DNA...in other words into the  paternal line of DNA!

Penguin:
“ Of course not. However, some women have small kids, you know.”

Everybody has the right to study the basic facts about genetics.

Let’s take one link again:
The Lost Viking Ship
Around 967 AD, it was recorded that a Viking ship led by Ullmann on the way to Iceland was driven by strong ocean currents and blown off course. Could this ship have ended up in Central America?
http://archaeology.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_vikingmaya_connection
Ullman – they didn't tell that it was a SURNAME but anyway it means Man of Wool or Wollen/Woolly man.

Male names (patronymic) like Ullsson, Eriksson, Gunnarsson, Jonsson, Stefansson, Knutsson, Fjalarsson, Allvason, Ragnarsson etc actually mean son of his father – Fjalrsson = son of Fjalar.

In other words even the Scandinavian surnames are very old – nick names even older:

In most cultures, where confusion might exist between two persons with the same given name, the father's name was used to separate the two individuals. The Latin name for son, filius, thus becomes fils in French, fitz in Norman French, and vich, witz in the Slavic languages. In Ireland, the prefix O' signifies the son of, as Mac or Mc in Scottish names.

In northern Europe the patronymic was indicated by adding the father's given name to -son and -dotter in Sweden, -son and -datter in Danish and Norwegian. 
http://www.genealogi.se/namneng.htm

Patronymic nomenclature prevailed throughout the country from Viking days and until 1828, when it was banned by law in favor of family surnames as institutions like public education and conscription required that the authorities keep records on large numbers of people.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1085814,00.html

The Vikings didn’t have names, surnames or patronymic?
Leif Eriksson was born in Iceland sometime around 960 A.D.. His father, Erik the Red, moved to Iceland when Lief's grandfather, Thorvald, was expelled from Norway for killing a man during a dispute.
Of course his firs name was Leif and surname (patronymic)
Erik´s son. It was equal in the neighboring countries. In Finnish that man was surely Leevi Eerikinpoika.
http://www.cdli.ca/CITE/vikingfamous.htm

Originally posted by Hukumari I must add that at least a Mayan tribe moved later to Peru to assist the defense against the brutal attack of “Barbarians” who came from The Pacific Ocean on a two sailed ship that surely was not of Norse origins.

Edited by Jams - 19-Nov-2008 at 19:30

I don't know where people get the idea that precolumbian Native Americans didn't have bears. That's simply a myth, Moctezuma had one for example, and 8-Deer Jaguar Claw.

Originally posted by Jams Originally posted by Hukumari I must add that at least a Mayan tribe moved later to Peru to assist the defense against the brutal attack of “Barbarians” who came from The Pacific Ocean on a two sailed ship that surely was not of Norse origins.    What is your source for that particular claim? When is that supposed to have happened?

Sorry…hurry!

13 APPENDIX

inscription

on a tablet Marked No 1 (front).

By A. C arroll, M.A., M.D. October 6th, 1892.

Kindly lent By S. Percy Smith, Esq., F.R.G.S.  

"The bones of our ancestors of the Sun-fires, the masters of the beloved tribe of our sacred dead ancestors of the holy Sun-people, the people of the mountains, the Charcas, a holy clan. The Eagle chief was of these dead ancestors and their fires of the Sun and a master of the free Chunchas. The men of the two-sailed vessel came, attacked the Quichua. These gorging barbarians attacked the Sun's men and the Quito people and their rulers. They, the Snakes, took their places. The sacred ancestral fires in the coast-lands for seven years were extinguished, and among the Rapa people for six years. Then the chief of the Eagle tribes fought in the coast-lands for six years, and again the chief and the Eagle clan went to the coast lands for five years. etc….

When all this happened??

Please read all thoroughly. The estimated time is mentioned.

Originally posted by Hukumari Penguin: “ Of course not. However, some women have small kids, you know.” Everybody has the right to study the basic facts about genetics.

Originally posted by Hukumari Can we make any conclusions?

yes

that the inventory of sounds human beings can make is relatively limited and that you're therefore always going to find similarities between non-related languages.

On a side note, in Nicaragua there's the Pis Pis River. Does that mean the Ancient Nicaraguans were actually rude Englishmen?

Originally posted by Hukumari Ullman – they didn't tell that it was a SURNAME but anyway it means Man of Wool or Wollen/Woolly man. Male names (patronymic) like Ullsson, Eriksson, Gunnarsson, Jonsson, Stefansson, Knutsson, Fjalarsson, Allvason, Ragnarsson etc actually mean son of his father – Fjalrsson = son of Fjalar. In other words even the Scandinavian surnames are very old – nick names even older: In most cultures, where confusion might exist between two persons with the same given name, the father's name was used to separate the two individuals. The Latin name for son, filius, thus becomes fils in French, fitz in Norman French, and vich, witz in the Slavic languages. In Ireland, the prefix O' signifies the son of, as Mac or Mc in Scottish names. In northern Europe the patronymic was indicated by adding the father's given name to -son and -dotter in Sweden, -son and -datter in Danish and Norwegian.  http://www.genealogi.se/namneng.htm Patronymic nomenclature prevailed throughout the country from Viking days and until 1828, when it was banned by law in favor of family surnames as institutions like public education and conscription required that the authorities keep records on large numbers of people. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1085814,00.html The Vikings didn’t have names, surnames or patronymic? Leif Eriksson was born in Iceland sometime around 960 A.D.. His father, Erik the Red, moved to Iceland when Lief's grandfather, Thorvald, was expelled from Norway for killing a man during a dispute. Of course his firs name was Leif and surname (patronymic) Erik´s son. It was equal in the neighboring countries. In Finnish that man was surely Leevi Eerikinpoika. http://www.cdli.ca/CITE/vikingfamous.htm

Hmm, why did you bring up Ullman then? That name might have travelled to SA anytime during the past 300 years.

Ullman doesn't mean wool man by the way - Ull is an old Scandinavian god.
With surname I meant family name, which I do believe was obvious.


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Anyhow, I checked that up since I found it quite suspicious. And it was. Apparently the whole Ullman episode was invented in the early 20th century: the story also contains Jews tricking Columbus into finding America so they could go there and crush the "Nordic" empire being built up in the Western hemisphere, threatening the Jewish plans of world conquest. Pure Nazi bullcrap, in other words.


Edited by Styrbiorn - 19-Nov-2008 at 21:59

Originally posted by Styrbiorn Originally posted by Hukumari Ullman – they didn't tell that it was a SURNAME but anyway it means Man of Wool or Wollen/Woolly man. Male names (patronymic) like Ullsson, Eriksson, Gunnarsson, Jonsson, Stefansson, Knutsson, Fjalarsson, Allvason, Ragnarsson etc actually mean son of his father – Fjalrsson = son of Fjalar. In other words even the Scandinavian surnames are very old – nick names even older: In most cultures, where confusion might exist between two persons with the same given name, the father's name was used to separate the two individuals. The Latin name for son, filius, thus becomes fils in French, fitz in Norman French, and vich, witz in the Slavic languages. In Ireland, the prefix O' signifies the son of, as Mac or Mc in Scottish names. In northern Europe the patronymic was indicated by adding the father's given name to -son and -dotter in Sweden, -son and -datter in Danish and Norwegian.  http://www.genealogi.se/namneng.htm Patronymic nomenclature prevailed throughout the country from Viking days and until 1828, when it was banned by law in favor of family surnames as institutions like public education and conscription required that the authorities keep records on large numbers of people. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1085814,00.html The Vikings didn’t have names, surnames or patronymic? Leif Eriksson was born in Iceland sometime around 960 A.D.. His father, Erik the Red, moved to Iceland when Lief's grandfather, Thorvald, was expelled from Norway for killing a man during a dispute. Of course his firs name was Leif and surname (patronymic) Erik´s son. It was equal in the neighboring countries. In Finnish that man was surely Leevi Eerikinpoika. http://www.cdli.ca/CITE/vikingfamous.htm Hmm, why did you bring up Ullman then? That name might have travelled to SA anytime during the past 300 years. Ullman doesn't mean wool man by the way - Ull is an old Scandinavian god. With surname I meant family name, which I do believe was obvious. --- Anyhow, I checked that up since I found it quite suspicious. And it was. Apparently the whole Ullman episode was invented in the early 20th century: the story also contains Jews tricking Columbus into finding America so they could go there and crush the "Nordic" empire being built up in the Western hemisphere, threatening the Jewish plans of world conquest. Pure Nazi bullcrap, in other words.

ULLMAN?
Better to ask here:

http://archaeology.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_vikingmaya_connection

or here:

2) in year 967, the Viking Ullman Jarl touched ground with Panuco, in the Gulf of Mexico. It is the second arrival, the "last arrival" of the white men for the Mayas.
http://www.fileane.com/english/tiahuanaco_oldestcity.htm
 
Pure Nazi bullcrap, in other words.

Jeees, Stormfront White Nationalist Community:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=171033

Originally posted by Hukumari .... According to “Vocabvlario de la Lengva AYMARA” printed in 1612 in Juli, Peru, huampu (wampu) means a boat.