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Was Albania a kingdom when the Ottomans entered the Balkans?

According to Europeans, Scanderbeg was "Rex Albanae"(King of Albania) but in reality Albania was still a loose feudal entity that was only mildly bound together under the leadership of one charismatic figure and a common enemy. The fact that most of the country was organized against the ottomans means that it was a concerted effort and in the end they did lose. Whether or not its true, modern Albanian historiography (granted that it favors an anti-Osman stance) portrays the growth of the 'Rex Albanae' as a fundamental moment for a unified Albanian state and the Ottoman conquest as the entity that destroyed what was taking so long to create. My personal view is that it was the Ottoman advance that made this possible in the first place.

And I can easily contest the claims of "winning" under the Ottomans, but thats fruitless. The Ottomans happened whether anyone likes it or not.

Fourth, All of Kosovo was under direct Ottoman rule so was Tirana, Berat and most Central Albania and it is here where the muslims were strongest and these people, especially in Kosovo, were and still are known for being extremely religious

Actually, rule over most of Albania was not direct but heavily reliant on the nobility of the country since Ottomans found it too difficult to have any direct administration. This ignores various parts of the country, like Shkodra and its surrounding county, which at various periods enjoyed an almost independent like status(with various other districts being entirely free for most of the Ottoman era). The Ottomans relied on the patronage of the nobility to high offices and the playing off of warlords to keep any sort of authority, hence men like Ali Pasha and KaraMahmud Bushati came about. More control was held over areas like Kosovo because it was lowland.

There were few occasions when Ottoman control was direct; in almost all those cases it required the concentration of vast resources. In the last attempt at direct control 2/3 of the Rumeli army was stationed in the country.

PS: "Extremely religious" by Albanian standards means that you go to the mosque for Bayram... I consider some family members 'religious' because of the fact that they call family members to wish them happy Bayram. Its not a person someone in the middle east would call 'religious'.

Finally, I thought Albania was a free country, if it is right for Christian, Hindu and Buddhist organizations to preach, than why not Islamic organizations?

And I will give you an example why I would trust a western based organization(since the principal Christian groups come from the west, while Hindus and Buddhists are not making any real effort): In 97 Albania an Iranian told Albanian students to go to a monastery in the south of the country and desecrate the images... 17 schools were shut down after it was all over. To put it most simply, bluntly and coldly: I dont trust the middle east...atleast not in its current social state. But lets stick to the topic...

Edited by Theodore Felix - 29-Apr-2008 at 02:59

That isn't an Albanian flag. That's a flag used by the Roman Empire during war time that the Serbs also used and which now you lose. Perhaps you will tell us that actually the Illyrians (which according to you are Albanians) forged the Roman Empire and that the Romans used it because of Illyrians which invented the wheel etc etc etc...don't care.

Carpathian Wolf, you won't last long on this forum by confronting people on a regular basis. Take your own words as advice:  typical trollish crap you're so popular for on this forum for and i've only been here one day.

Originally posted by EthnicAlbania Carpathian Wolf I will give you a tip! If you take out the suffix of all serbian and and greeks names like "Viç" and "Os" the root of the name is typicaly albanian. For Ex. Milloshe/viç--> Millosh; Kostandin/os--> Kostandin etc etc etc .... It may be a coicidence, but it is one of those coicidence that I like a lot.:)   Millosh Kopiliq ( This is my personal interpretation)--> "Kopili" in albanian means "The Bastard" lol to me he was one because he killed a Sultan. It takes a king to kill a king, not a soldier. (Millosh is 100% albanian name).

I'm not confronting him my friend. He made a claim and I made a point against it. My apology if it seemed like anything more then that.

Haiduk means "a bandit" in Turkish. Turks used to call all the "Robin Hoods" in the Balkans with this name including Albanians BTW.

Milosh is now Albanian name :D

Millosh may be a Martian name but i do not think that Martians (if they exist) have the tendency to call each other with albanian names.  Or if they really want this, all that they have to do is to add the "tian" suffix and "BAM": Milloshtian.  (Ring a bell*)

Originally posted by Theodore Felix Was Albania a kingdom when the Ottomans entered the Balkans? According to Europeans, Scanderbeg was "Rex Albanae"(King of Albania) but in reality Albania was still a loose feudal entity that was only mildly bound together under the leadership of one charismatic figure and a common enemy. The fact that most of the country was organized against the ottomans means that it was a concerted effort and in the end they did lose. Whether or not its true, modern Albanian historiography (granted that it favors an anti-Osman stance) portrays the growth of the 'Rex Albanae' as a fundamental moment for a unified Albanian state and the Ottoman conquest as the entity that destroyed what was taking so long to create. My personal view is that it was the Ottoman advance that made this possible in the first place. And I can easily contest the claims of "winning" under the Ottomans, but thats fruitless. The Ottomans happened whether anyone likes it or not. Fourth, All of Kosovo was under direct Ottoman rule so was Tirana, Berat and most Central Albania and it is here where the muslims were strongest and these people, especially in Kosovo, were and still are known for being extremely religious Actually, rule over most of Albania was not direct but heavily reliant on the nobility of the country since Ottomans found it too difficult to have any direct administration. This ignores various parts of the country, like Shkodra and its surrounding county, which at various periods enjoyed an almost independent like status(with various other districts being entirely free for most of the Ottoman era). The Ottomans relied on the patronage of the nobility to high offices and the playing off of warlords to keep any sort of authority, hence men like Ali Pasha and KaraMahmud Bushati came about. More control was held over areas like Kosovo because it was lowland. There were few occasions when Ottoman control was direct; in almost all those cases it required the concentration of vast resources. In the last attempt at direct control 2/3 of the Rumeli army was stationed in the country. PS: "Extremely religious" by Albanian standards means that you go to the mosque for Bayram... I consider some family members 'religious' because of the fact that they call family members to wish them happy Bayram. Its not a person someone in the middle east would call 'religious'. Finally, I thought Albania was a free country, if it is right for Christian, Hindu and Buddhist organizations to preach, than why not Islamic organizations? And I will give you an example why I would trust a western based organization(since the principal Christian groups come from the west, while Hindus and Buddhists are not making any real effort): In 97 Albania an Iranian told Albanian students to go to a monastery in the south of the country and desecrate the images... 17 schools were shut down after it was all over. To put it most simply, bluntly and coldly: I dont trust the middle east...atleast not in its current social state. But lets stick to the topic...

Scanderbeg was no recognized King, but indeed, it SHOULD be called an Albanian Kingdom, for its status and successes.