Turkish Creation myths and Korea

U live in the Vatican city don't u?

That's what I don't like about Koreans {I havn't met a North Korean so far}, S Koreans r so defensive.God knows who started this thread.I suppose the purpose was to prove common origins of Turks n Koreans.But the two people r compeletly opposite.

A Turk is never afraid to express himself.Thats why right now I'm listening to a Turkish song {Cat Cat-Davout Guloglu......even though I don't understand the lyrics}.....n not an American inspired SOUTH Korean song.

Anyong Hasseyo Gubook Shi,

I didn't come to S Korea to find work.I came here to study.After the first sem I had some problems {like racial discrimination......not against me but fellow students from Cameroon} n the Administrative staff couldn't answer my questions to my satisfaction so I told them that I would pay the fee for the second semester only after I've put my problems before President of the University {since I had come to the conclusion (with my limited intelligence that money n not religion/god was the most important thing for the S Koreans).

Admisistrative staff didn't let me meet Prez (my letters to his office were returned-----c that's what I mean by being defensive) n I was thrown out of the University.

I think u started another forum hinting that ancient Koreans were GIANTS,I don't know the answer to that question but I can say certainly that modern S Koreans r very good at telling lies.

Linking this with religion (be it any religion). I guess the crux of any religion is to live a good life n treat other human beings with dignity (good thoughts,good words,good deeds).

I am an atheist n believe all human beings should have the freedom to practise the religion of their choice.I do not care if u practise a religion which is an amalgamation of all the world religions or even if u invent a religion of ur own but the test of that religion comes from ur behaviour towards other human beings (n not by whats written in the scriptures).

I fully with Nagaeyari when he says that "A national identity, or a self-title that goes against the basic precepts of that title, do not make the man."

I like music from all corners of the world n I'm very sorry to say that I havn't heard much music from S Korea which is worth listening again (take it as an insult if u will;I am just speaking my mind).

Anyonghi Khesseyo,

Dinesh Mohan Raturi.

The Dongyi were Chinese and have nothing to do with Koreans.

A developing culture was in Korea at this time. To think that the Dongyi suddenly abandoned eastern China, moved towards Korea, and settled there is simply ridiculous.

Yes, you are correct.

DEAR BARAKUDA: I did not read all that you wrote. Sorry for that. However, I am kicking in here after I read this thread which says that the Turks created Korea.

I do agree that Koreans and Turks have strong ethnic, historical and linguistic relationships, though some of the links are lost or not well studied these days. 

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, maybe from what I said on the Dongyi, I did say that all that part is korean nationalistic unproven mythology..but these are just notes on to possible roots of turkic peoples, and not themselves, anyway..

DEAR BARAKUDA:

It's not unproven mythology! Its the answe and proof given by archeology. So, do read a little bit of archeological articles. 

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The origin of the turks, I can not say something certain but it can be 3 different periods,

1 - some say they are the Xion-Nu ( and mongolians are the Xien-bi) that could put them at about 1800 BC,

DEAR BARAKUDA: Tell me who says so?

Mongols say that they are the descendants of the Huns. and they created Xia State in China.

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2 - some archeologists claim that their origin is a caucasian race living in the region at around 3000 BC who chose leaders from mongoloid people

Probably, you are talking about western origin of the turks, entertained by Russian scholars and some Europeans, which is wecome by Turkish in Turkey, but these have nothing to do with Turks who are said here to have created ancient Korea, though they share similar languages.

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3 - some say that turks are from a much later period of 400 AD or so.

(note : by turks I mean turkic peoples)

DEAR BARAKUDA:

The name of "Turk" first appear in Orkhon Script erected 6-7 AD. (Am I right?) and then most frequently appear in Chinese materials in the History of Tang State. Are you talking about these Turks? or Uighurs who show up earlier?

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now 1,2 is what I have been trying to research, and so far I could tell you that there is a very high possibility for them to be true, 3 seems to have its flaws in strictness of the view.

With what I wrote, I meant the words Gok/Kok/Kuk/Guk - they mean sky, heavens in all turkic languages from all times.

So I was only trying to break down what "Han-Guk" could have meant if it were in a turkic tongue, as you can see it strangely enough is has the same meaning..
Gok-han - Kok-han - Guk-han - means ruler of skies/heavens...

DEAR BARAKUDA:

Though the pronunciations of these words may sound pretty similar, they come from totally different origin.

Gok-Han of course means what you say.

But the word "Han-kook" come from a totally different origin, especially the latter "Kook", meaning "State" in cino-Korean, having no relationship with Turkic language. "Han" means "Emperor" "King", "Ruler" in ancient Korean (time period: See above), which was later adopted by Turkic, Mongol and Manchus.