Education for Liberty and Justice

Originally posted by C. Isaurikon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShatnezMixing wool and linen is out of bounds. Which makes it hard for many seeing how many wool/linen blends do exist.

Thanks for the information! And I would guess that very Orthodox Jews, or very Conservative Jews, might still practice and follow them!

But, as I suspect "airhead", and possibly others will be able to tell you why these pronouncememts do not apply to non-Jews!

You will note that the dietary laws are also mostly ignored, except for the most Orthodox of Jewish believers, as well as Muslims who have similar restrictions!

Thanks Carol, in some ways I would agree that the Roman Church, did indeed indict the Jews with the very acts that they bestowed upon them!

But, if that was the only way to get rich, then just how did the same RC church manage to build the "New" St. Peter's Basillica in the midst of the plague? With Europe and its (the churches) minions dying by the millions and industry and commerce falling apart!

Were all of these great craftsmen paid with "salvation?"

Were not the great trading nation states of Italy really dealing in usury? Were not the so called Papal States?

I guess the answer is that they killed and tortured all of the rich Jews and stole their fortunes?

Did you intentionaly ignore my words concerning the building / rebuilding, of St. Peter's?

As well as the times?

Edited by opuslola - 24-Jul-2010 at 03:34

A while ago Petite Simba, you posted this in one of your conversations with "airhead!";

"Equality amongst men and women is a secular ideal, not a religious one. You are, I'm sure, for equality between men and women, and this is contrary to your Christian beliefs."

I would suggest, that at one time, at least, and maybe still today, women were the "only" leaders, etc.!

Only men, born from royal women were allowed to rule!

Just why would anyone think that a "family tree" was ever considered and then implemented?

Just what tree bears "fruit?"

Certainly before the current common era, there was no method to determine the "father!"

Thus in the Bible, Jesus was firstly given "royal" status thru his mother, Mary! Only later, it seems, were men, in agony it seems, able to insert a momement that allertated to Jesus being related to the Crown via the earthly father!

Thus the Bible has to be a composite of books, taken from differing times and mores?

But, as always, I could well be wrong?

Edited by opuslola - 24-Jul-2010 at 03:23

Dear Carol, if you would go back and make a few corrections, the above could be published, I feel! So, just go to the "post options" star, which is golden, and press it! Then you will be allowed to go back and correct your mistakes!

Originally posted by Mosquito Originally posted by TheGreatSimba So thats why we should have more religion in society? Not a compelling argument...     I did never say that we should have more religion in the society.. All Im saying is that religion or its lack in the society had nothing to do with prosperity.

Airhead, our Christian dominated culture has done a very poor job of giving us a beneficial understanding of the gods.  The Greek gods are essential to our western civilization.  Christianity is Hellenized Judaism.  

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Originally posted by Airhead I consider myself a servant of Jesus Christ.  Yes, Christian will do.  I try to follow the Bible to the best of my abilities, but to be honest, I am far from perfect. The reason I bring this up is that I want to know what your opinions are on certain "words of God". For example, it is clearly stated in the bible on a couple occasions that women are inferior to men. It also says in the bible that women should cover their head. If the bible is the word of god, and for one to be a good Christian one must follow gods words, do you propose we practice these barbaric and backwards rules?

Originally posted by Airhead What does believe in the Bible mean to you?  I do believe in the Bible, but we still need to understand the historical context.  Let me give you an analogy.  You look at a cave painting and see a crude picture that could be an antelope.  You could point out; "Hey, no way did that guy see an antelope, the dimensions are all wrong, it was obviously a figment of his imagination."   However, just because the human is unable to perfectly depict his perception in a way that is convincing to modern standards, does not mean that his perception was false.   If you study the history of Biblical translation, you will discover that the movement of literalism arrose at a certain point in history.  You can discover this because the Jews and Christians have a rich tradition of scriptural commentary.  This allows us to know what different groups of people believed at different times.   Humans are unable to percieve without bias, this includes you.  Since we rely on human beings to transmit the Word of God, it is natural that human bias gets filtered into the text without the author realizing it.   Jesus said; "The last shall be first and the first shall be last.", thousands of years before the Enlightenment period.   My Christian beliefs are my own thank you.  I will not have you tell me what I believe.

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