The worst genocide in modern history

Oh didnt know Ismail is his first name.

Should they count Turks or not?

Arent 1.2 million low also? I mean, 1.5 Armenian  and what about the Assyrian and Greek Pontic people died too.

Maybe It should be something like 3-4 million.

Something to note: I'm not sure if we've been using the term genocide accurately in all these cases.  This is a matter of semantics, and it doesn't mitigate (much less exculpate) the atrocities of these acts, even if some of them do not fall under the definition of genocide.

The definition of genocide is an act of destruction (which can be murder, birth prevention, etc,) with the intent to destroy a people (race, ethnicity, etc,) partially or entirely.  The Native American genocide is a complicating issue (see my recent debate with Cattus,) as in many instances there is no clear intent to destroy a people, although there are some incidents that would be considered genocides.  The Chinese genocide under Mao is also unclear, since it's rather odd that Mao would have an intent to partially destroy his own ethnicity (I don't know of any intent of destroying racial minorities in China either,) despite the fact that Mao had a severely strongly low esteem for Chinese culture.

One thing to also consider is that intent and motive are different.  As long as the intent of an act is to destroy a people partially or entirely, what motive there is for the genocide does not change whether it is a genocide.  I'd agree, though, that if we are comparing the severity of genocides (which is the topic here,) the motives should be considered.  For example, the motives in the genocide of the Jews in WWII, among other factors, definitely make it one of the worst in history

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Please stop thinking that Armenians are out to destroy all Turks.

Not, all turk, just anatolian ones. I know Turkey did a lot wrong, ottomans did also. But I have not much good feeling for armenians. If they had chance they will do what you say. Destroy all Turks.

I dont have time to check every topic in that forum to find out what youre talking about. But i get your point, youre saying that Armenians do infact have anti-Turkish sentiments. That is true for some Armenians who are running their arguments based on emotional charge, and Armenians who havent formally learned about world history. I know many Armenians, including myself, who do not share that view. That is the same thing as if i said Turks hate Armenians and posted a forum full of anti-Armenian sentiments. It goes both ways. There are Armenians that hate Turks, there are Turks who hate Armenians. It goes both ways. I, however, am not one of those people. I am actually trying to get Armenians to get educated in history (most people in general arent interested in history), so they can base their arguments and opinions on facts rather than emotion. I would also love to do the same to Turks who are like this, because there are also a lot of Turks that base their arguments on false nationalism and emotion. You cannot say this is false, because both Armenians and Turks do that a lot, and it is getting a bit old.

(this is not directed to you, Mortaza) ->  I, personally, dont like being attacked or flamed for having an opinion about the genocide, an opinion that has actually been recognized by many foreign governments. I have never attacked Turkish culture, and so i should be treated accordingly. I blame your government, i hate your government, i will do anything to make them give back what *i feel* is ours. However, dont mix this up with anti-Turkish sentiment. I also hate the Armenian government, they are making our own people suffer, but that doesnt mean i hate Armenians now does it? No, i just hate the government. I do not hate the Turkish government because they are Turkish, i hate them because they are corrupt, and i feel the same towards the Armenian government. I hate many governments, i hate no culture.

I am glad you are not brainwashed, and that you realize this fact. Now what we have to figure out as Turks and Armenians, is how to fix these wrongs which have been committed.

This is true. Some Armenians have infact done some horrible things towards Turkish people. This was a response to what was being done to them by the Ottoman government, and although this does NOT justify their actions, its always useful to know why someone does something.

Yes, the Turks and Armenians that choose to lie have to stop because it is leading the discussions nowhere. I would love to see both sides stop lying because i believe in my cause and i believe that if the truth is told by BOTH sides, then the cause will be carried out. When you said you dont like your government, i am assuming that you would also like to see the genocide openly discussed by both sides with no lies. I respect that opinion and i agree with it also. I dont like the government of Turkey and i think it should be removed. However, it should be replaced by a government that will serve Turkish people and Turkish interests. Same thing with the Armenian government. Easier said than done though.

I completely understand your view, as ive seen with my own eyes what you are talking about.

I hate the Turkish government for giving us a cause for revenge. I dont like revenge and i hate that i have to be this way to have the truth carried out.

p.s. by revenge i dont mean physical revenge, i mean correcting what has been done wrong.