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    Posted: 25-Jun-2005 at 17:03
we turks (no need to capitalize) are the worst race on the face of the world. we don't deserve to live. we are uncivilized. we are not humans. every inhumanity that occured ever since the beginning of history can be linked to turks when we ourselves were never exposed to any.

People, why don't you (or your countries) just nuke turkey? wouldn't that make the world make almost a perfect place? just what the hell are you waiting for?

this is not related to anatolian races or anything, i know.
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jun-2005 at 17:28

Southeast, year 1200

Yes, it was the Bolsheviks that renamed that area Azerbaijan in the early 20th century because the wanted to cede Iranian Azarbaijan and they tried to play to ethnic nationalism because the people are very similar.

Originally posted by Artaxiad

There is no such thing as ''Azerbaijan''. The ones who live in the republic of Azerbaijan are Turkic/Iranic Shiite muslims, who use a bastardized language. Before the 20th century, they were called Tatars.

The Albanians, Armenians, and Atropatenians used to live in what is now called the ''Republic of Azerbaijan'' and ''Southern Azerbaijan''. Albanians adopted the Armenian version of Christianity, and used an alphabet created by an Armenian. It should tell you something about them. The origins of Atropatenians are obscure. They were surely not any different from Persians or Armenians.

http://www.euratlas.com/time/sea0200.htm

Later on (around 900 AD), the Emirate of Azerbaijan was created. They were obviously not Turkic, but a mix of Islamicized Persians, Armenians, and Atropatenians. 

After the Turkic migrations, petty Turkic and Iranic states ruled the area. One of them was Shirvan.

Shervan or Shirvan was a former Persian province in Caucasus, a state ruled by the Shervanshahs and the birthplace of the Persian poet Khaqani. Shervan was ceceded from Iran by the Gulistan Treaty of 1813 and was annexed to Russia. It is now part of the Republic of Azerbaijan.

As is the case with many city and village names in large countries, there is often more than one city or village with the same name in different parts of Iran. Shervan/Shirvan happens to be one such case.

There is another Shervan/Shirvan in modern Iran proper, in the province of North Khorasan.

Azerbaijan was located south of the Araxes river.

http://www.euratlas.com/time/sea1200.htm

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  Quote mausefalle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jun-2005 at 20:33
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we turks (no need to capitalize) are the worst race on the face of the world. we don't deserve to live. we are uncivilized. we are not humans.

every inhumanity that occured ever since the beginning of history can be linked to turks when we ourselves were never exposed to any.

People, why don't you (or your countries) just nuke turkey? wouldn't that make the world make almost a perfect place? just what the hell are you waiting for?

this is not related to anatolian races or anything, i know.
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So, modern Muslim terrorism is a scam and we can and should solve this problem by throwing out all the Muslims from their countries - and give them a bullet in the back of their head if they should refuse to go voluntary (or if they don't get out fast enough). If we should decide to we can always just take whatever we want, like oil, from this scum anyhow - like Japan did in 1941 in Indonesia and the USA in Iraq recently.

What are they going to do about it anyhow, throw rocks at us? They can fight back only if we let them. Read whatever You want to into that comment...

When that is done we should throw the Turks out of Europe too, and give the area back to the Greeks… (Is that what we call "warmongering"? if we didn't know any better somebody might think I was British...)

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jun-2005 at 06:34

Believe me buddy, we have better tactics than throwing stones. We didnt rule three continents by throwing stones to the enemies. We arent like poor Iraqis, we have a historical background of kickin' ass, and we would do it again whenever we decide to form a modern "harem"...

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  Quote Cent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 06:02

Assyriaman7: If you claim that Assyrians should have a nation in Northern Iraq, JUST because you had an empire like 2500 years ago, sound pathetic you know that?

There are about 30-40 million kurds in that area (whole "Assyria") and we have fought and fought and suffered and we have got a federal state after like 200 years and that's only in one part. AND WE ARE 20 times more than you are! Only in the 70's and 80's 300.000 to 400.000 kurds died in the cause for independence. (iraq: 200.000 only).

And now you are comming and saying that an Assyria should be established? You are max 700 000 in Iraq and in a strange way you only want the Northend Iraq? If I'm not wrong Assyria is MUCH larger than that? Why claim That part then?

You guys have not fought for that area, and i think the group that fights are the ones that should get it, like every nation in the world. You don't go after who was there first, you go after who's fighting for it.

Assyrians can live free in a free and democraitc Kurdistan but DO not think that 10 million kurds should move and 700 000 assyrians should move in, it sounds pathetic to me...

 

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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jul-2005 at 07:00

well said

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Assyrians are a past nation. Today, they havent had any significant existance or power in middle east since the last 1500 years, and now a couple of tens of thousands Assyrians claim rights to own their own independent state. Com'on.

The thing is Northern Iraq had the main population of Turkmens and Kurds. But Kirkuk was a dominant Turkmen city before the American cospiracies began.

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  Quote Hushyar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 03:20
Kirkuk was a kurdish dominating city before Iraqi racism began.Befor recent war Arabs considered majority.Well Oguzoglu what do you prefer a Kurdish and or Arab city.
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  Quote Shahanshah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 05:29

okay, dont bother argueing with turkish dudes here, they are too brainwashed and stubborn and filled with too much nationalism and pride to even understand.

Turks surely have influenced iranian and other cultures no doubt about it. maybe that is why iranian never considered turks (ex.seljuks) as conquerors and invadors because the endorsed iranian culture and had persian as the state's official langauge. untill the mongols came. they are considered invadors tho.

regarding Azeris, azeris of iran and republic of azerbaijan are iranian, idno-iranian, only speaking a torkic langauge, the only time azerbaijanis started to lose their identity was when russians took over and started deiranianizing the land. also under soviet union, supported pan-turkism in order to weaken iran, similar tacticts was used by british who supported pan-arabism, as a tool to raise conflicts in the region and weaken iran. since the time of ataturk, that racist bastard, turks in turkey have started their racist campaigns by brainwashing people in azerbaijan, their campiaign even reached uzbekistan with a large population of persians (tajiks) who are now being descriminated and assimilated.

infact the population of republic of azerbaijan was mostly talysh and other indo-iranian languages, turkic was a small mijority, but the russians basically changed that. 8 million azeris in azerbaijan have basically a identity crisis caused by imperial powers and racists politicians to divide iranians. this was even done in iranian terroritory in itself. 20 million azeris in iran are proud of their heretage, and you pan-turkic brain washed few in this forum should admit that they are iranian.

there were many iranian influences in baghdad, infact many residents in major iraqi cities were persian, but you dont see us calling them iranians.

another example of azeri brain disorder is in bahrain, when british supported panarabism to deiranianize the population, brought arabs from other countries as labour workers! put a sonni government in place. but that pan-arabism is still challenged by bahrainis who were extremily loyal to iran 50 years ago. even today you will find bahrainis in support of iran.

azeri leaders now are just turkey trained pan-turkish dictators.

final line, Azeris in both iran and azerbaijan are of IRANIAN PEOPLES . END OF THIS DISCUSSION. and we iranians worldwide should fight back these pan-turkish and pan-arabic bastards if we want to safegaurd our identity.

dont bother argueing with these fools, they are just repeating what they have been told to in their government backed pan-turkic schools.

please look at how they treat their kurdish population, the governmetn doesnt even recognize kurks as a nationality, they call them  "mountain turks". racist bastards. pure racism. infact ataturk was in my opinion the first kinds of hitler. only less powerful.



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  Quote Cent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 05:41

Kirkuk is a kurdish city! Kurds were deported from Kirkuk when Saddam was dictator, and now slowly the kurds are moving back...

This is how the turks think: Diarbakir is a kurdish city (95% kurds) and if you ask a turk if it's turkish, they'll say it turkish directely...

And Kirkuk is 60% kurdish, (gonna be more soon, more are moving in) and like MAYBE 20% turkmen, and OF COURSE this city is turkish, WHY?

Because if a town has 5% turks, then it's a turkish city in the mind of a turk, AND this city has maybe 20% turks, so it's logical that it is a turkish city, no arguing...

 

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American conspiracies against Turks... in the name of everything that is holy, will you listen to yourself?  Most Turkmens in Iraq want nothing to do with Turkey, they consider themselves Kurds.

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  Quote Murtaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 07:20
Originally posted by Zagros Purya

American conspiracies against Turks... in the name of everything that is holy, will you listen to yourself?  Most Turkmens in Iraq want nothing to do with Turkey, they consider themselves Kurds.

If the consider themself  Kurds, they wont call  themself Turkmens.

this  are comic and senseless words  are. But well  after all, Iranian turks are iranics. Iraqian Turkmens are Kurds.

Turkey Turks are greeks and armenians

There is no limit for human stupidy.

iranian nationalism is not less stupid than Turkish one.  Even more  stupid

 

 

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Hehe, Iranian nationalism? Turkish nationalism is far more stupid than Iranian... In Iran they don't teach kids to hate other nationalities, in Iran they don't warship faschism, turkey = kemalism... And that's like the most stupid of them all...
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  Quote Murtaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 07:53

hate?

Noone hate from kurds. I support their democratic right.But I am against PKK. And they didnt support PKK. Even their kurdish party, Hadep take 6-7% vote at Turkey.

Should I remember It  was who helped kurds against saddam?

It was us , who helped and feed that kurds, when they were fleeing Saddam. Our economy was not fine. But We  opened our border to kurds. with the taking risk of PKK.They comed with refugees  and  made  some terrorist attacks.

At that times,we had  a kurdish president. Turgut Ozal one of the most loved and good Turkey president. And we had an other Kurdish politician, minister  of domestic affairs.(Dont remember his name)

So pls, think again  who learned to hate.

It looks like you are the  one who learned to hate, without knowledge.

 

 

 



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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 07:56

While Turkmens in Iraq are Turkmens, 95% of them are not Turkish (Jomhuriye Turkiye) nationalists as deomonstrated in the recent elections in which the Turkish infiltrated nationalist Turkmen party received a negligible share of the vote.

No one is calling them Kurds, quite the contrary.

 



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  Quote Cent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 09:23

"At that times,we had  a kurdish president. Turgut Ozal one of the most loved and good Turkey president. And we had an other Kurdish politician, minister  of domestic affairs.(Dont remember his name)"

Yeah, that's good right? Those who are in the turkish parlament must erase their kurdish identity and be ONLY turks... You call that democracy?No, turks want to destroy kurds and always have.

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Murtaza: Do you support Turkey? Well if you do, then you don't like democracy, because everything they do is against that, just so you know!
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  Quote Murtaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 09:38

Yeah, that's good right? Those who are in the turkish parlament must erase their kurdish identity and be ONLY turks... You call that democracy?No, turks want to destroy kurds and always have

Is this joke?

do you  forget Turgut ozel help to kurds?

Do you know, Turgut ozel idea to change Name of Turkey?

Republic of anatolia?

Do you forget how Kurdish politicians bloked Turkish army entering war with USA?  (with the help  of CHP and islamist politicians)

Murtaza: Do you support Turkey? Well if you do, then you don't like democracy, because everything they do is against that, just so you know!

Turkey have more democracy than other middle eastner country. So yes I support Turkey, I dont support her mistakes but support herself.

What a complex type  of thinker you are.

If you support  turkey you are enemy of democracy. Peh.So I am trying  to disccuss with you. She  is most democratic country  of middle  east.

Accept or not but she have to improve her democracy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  Quote Cent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 10:59

Of course you are an enemy of democracy if you support Turkey. I'm suprised you didn't know that... Btw Turkey isn't a democracy, it's a military state who doesn't even know what democracy stands for.

WOW! Is it the most democratic state in the middle east? Well then VIVA TURKEY! How can you compare Turkey with dictator states in The middle East? BTW i think Israel is the most democratic state there...

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  Quote Alparslan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jul-2005 at 12:09
Originally posted by Cent

"At that times,we had  a kurdish president. Turgut Ozal one of the most loved and good Turkey president. And we had an other Kurdish politician, minister  of domestic affairs.(Dont remember his name)"

Yeah, that's good right? Those who are in the turkish parlament must erase their kurdish identity and be ONLY turks... You call that democracy?No, turks want to destroy kurds and always have.

There are rules in all parliaments. In Turkey the official language of the state is Turkish and Turkish is spoken in the parliament.

I think you are talking about the Leyla Zana case. She came and prayed to be a member of the parlaiment in Kurdish. The rules and procedures are written in laws. There are also some official procedures. Anyone can NOT act according to her/his wishes in the parliament or in the street or in the plane.

MOREOVER Leyla Zana had come to pray carrying PKK (a terrorist organization) colors. She was willing to enter into prison and she get it. Her aim was to make manipulations over the issue. Every act who is in favor of killing other people including soldiers and villagers (Kurds and Turks) since they are not supporting them and they are not sharing their opinions will be heavily punished in the future and punished in the past in Turkey.

The last action of PKK was massacring Kurdish intellectuals in the streets since they are not thinking like them. I think you know the events better than me but I do not think that these are written in the Swedish media. The same tactic of PKK;terrorise the people and force them to support them. Otherwise you will die.....

In legal terms, it is called Turks for everybody who is citizen of Turkey as in the case of many other countries of the world. A black people may come from Liberia or Ruwanda to USA but they are called Americans. They do not call themselves as Liberian or Ruwandan. They cannot be a member of parliament as being Ruwandan or Liberian or pray on bible in the Liberian langauge. The same is for Dutch, Swedish, British origined Americans. The same state mentality and philoshopy applies in France and many other countries.... This is the modern state mentality to avoid racism and serves for equal treatment between citizens.

You cannot be a Kurdish parliament member in Turkey. If you really want to be so you should go to Iraq.

Turkey's rules are like this. If you do not like you can go to somewhere else. And it seems like you did so. Thank you very much. Stay away from us as much as possible....



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