Iranian Diversity

I agree with you, Cyrus. Azerbaijan has adhered to the same region for centuries, and the only smidgen of a difference has been the Soviet influence for the past 70 years in the northern region, otherwise ethnic wise, nothing has really changed.

Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Originally posted by Molokane If this ethnic group is dispersed among Iran, why are these so called Oghuz/Azeri Turks portraying Semitic phenotypes (coarse curly hair, bushy eyebrows, hooked noses, dark eyes, long eye lashes) seemingly 40% of Iran's population? Really? What is next? African? And Oghuz Turks being Nordic/European? In Iran Azerbaijani Turks were/are known for being "white" (or whatever you call it) throughout the history, like Circassians among Arabs. Of course that may not be the case with Persian "aryanist" supermachists who reside outside of Iran. Oghuz Turks were never Mongoloid and this European/Nordic theory must be the craziest thing ever. "Wild division" of Tsar Russia army (consisting mainly of Azeri Turks)

Emil, it is said that Oghuz Turks are a Russian tribe who have lost their Mongoloid features in the process of immigrating to places like Iran and Azerbaijan.  If this theory is correct, I would say Azeris are white. And I don't disagree, I think in many cases Azeris can be white, but I do not understand why a lot of Turks display many semitic features in both Azerbaijan and Iran. And why is it that if these Oghuz Turks are basically Russian in origin, shouldn't it be widely documented or viewed upon as these people being part Slavic?

Originally posted by Molokane I think what would help is if somebody could post ancient maps of Azerbaijan to see the recollection of ethnic groups inhabiting certain regions. I've been trying to find some, but they are very complicated to read, and are not in the english language.

It dosen't matters much, but I can explain to you.

In northern Azerbaijan (country), it was Caucasian Albania in western half and Scythian tribes in eastern half . In southern Azerbaijan (Iran), Atropatene.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropatene







Edited by Emil_Diniyev - 17-Apr-2010 at 22:55

Emil

Edited by kalhur - 18-Apr-2010 at 01:22

Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev Originally posted by Molokane I agree with you, Cyrus. Azerbaijan has adhered to the same region for centuries, and the only smidgen of a difference has been the Soviet influence for the past 70 years in the northern region, otherwise ethnic wise, nothing has really changed. Its actually since 1800 (when Russian invaded). And Greater Azerbaijan shall be united again one day. North already freed.

It's been longer than that. And my point was that it was a cultural difference, not that of an ethnic one.

Emil_Diniyev, great photo`s exactly. Also well-known map. But I can`t take in your point! Modern Azerbaijan direct successor of Caucasian Albania? And what kind of language had been used by ancient population of this area? Turkic? I think term "Turkification" is right on place when we talking about Azerbaijan.

Originally posted by kalhur emil very nice picture .  who is the man on the picture? do you know him by name?  isn't he from baku? or teblisi?  i have seen some picture of some one in an old album which looked  very like  him!!

Azerbaijani officer of "savage" division.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Division

The picture is from museum of Azerbaijan history.



Edited by Emil_Diniyev - 18-Apr-2010 at 05:49

It doesn't matter if you admit what you call falsified theories or not. The thing is that anthropologists consider the Turkic people having features called Mongoloid. As for the modern Azerbaigani people I should say that because the region was inhabited by mainly cacausoid people ( don't forget considerable Arab population) by the arrival of the Oghuz Turks searching for a jihad against Byzantine empire and the subsequent intermarriages with locals over centuries the result is what you see in Anatolia, Azerbaijan and even that of Crimea i.e. one can see a person having  features of both or even people clearly resembling either. Of course in Turkey or Azerbaijan you can easily find people who completely look like their Oghuz Turkmen kinsmen and that's not a surprise.

Edited by Asawar Hazaraspa - 18-Apr-2010 at 08:00

Azerbaijan and Arran/Albania WERE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES, with different cultures, languages, and peoples.

Azerbaijan and the whole "Azerbaijan was divided by Russia" are recent inventions, first introduced by Turkish nationalists and pan Turkists during WWI, and later expanded upon by the Soviets and Iranian nationalists who believe that Azerbaijan should be a part of Iran.

The terms Southern and Northern Azerbaijan are fictional as well, and they were created in the 1930's for propaganda purposes by the soviets in order to infiltrate Iran and set up communist states. The term Azeri is also a recent term, only in use for 100 years or so.

Its a myth, its historical fiction. Azerbaijan and Arran have their own separate histories.

And by the way, THIS IS A STATUE OF A SELJUK MALE FROM THE 12TH 13TH CENTURY:




CLEARLY MONGOLOID, JUST LIKE ALL THE ETHNIC TURKS OF CENTRAL ASIA. THE TURKS OF TURKEY, IRAN, AND THE CAUCASUS ARE LINGUISTICALLY TURKIC, NOT ETHNICALLY.

Science and history have spoken on the subject, its fact and there is nothing wrong with it, why hold on to propaganda? sorry


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 18-Apr-2010 at 13:11

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba And by the way, THIS IS A STATUE OF A SELJUK MALE FROM THE 12TH 13TH CENTURY: CLEARLY MONGOLOID, JUST LIKE ALL THE ETHNIC TURKS OF CENTRAL ASIA. THE TURKS OF TURKEY, IRAN, AND THE CAUCASUS ARE LINGUISTICALLY TURKIC, NOT ETHNICALLY.