Turks And Mongols

Aren't the Turkic "dialects" more like languages? For example, I understand Estonian farely well, but Finnish and Estonian are completely different languages. Isn't it the same with Turkic languages?

Dear Oghuz Oghlu,

   Hi there. Hope you're doing fine. Well, thank you very much for your concern. I should inform you of the followings:

1- When I talked abouyt Chuvash, I said: 'there's a third group LIKE chuvash...'. I didn't mean Chuvash is the only dialect in this group. That's it.

2- Well, about immigration of Turks to Anatoli, again, you haven't read carefully. I said the family 'Usmanli' was a member of Oghuzes. They were not Kipchaks. They were not Pechenek either. And by they way, 24 tribes ( or 'ok's) you'd mentioned is just a classical classification. It returns to Oghuz Kan's 6 sons and you know every one of them had 4 sons. So, totaly, they were 24. But in reality, most of them does not exist. Even when we Oghuzes were in Mongolian Steppes, we were called ' Toghuz Oghuz', but not' yigrimi tort oghuz'. To explian more, the nine tribes mentioned above are:

1- Tekke 2- Yomut 3-Gokleng 4-Ersari 5-Salur 6-Sarik 7-Kara

8- Chawtur 9- Al Illi

By the way, I'm a Salur Oghuz. We were one of the biggest and strongest tribes of all Central Asia. But nowadays, you may not find them everywhere. Due to my investigations in Anatoli, I haven't found any Salur there. The same can be said about 'Kara's, 'Sarik's and 'Chaawtur's.
   My brother, we're not here to argue with each other. I just wated to make this issues obvious. I'll be in Non-English froums soon, anyhow. So, until that time, take good care and just take it easy.

 

Sincerely,

Iltirish

The Salar originate from Transoxiana.  They belong to the Oghuz branch of Turkic.
According to Salar folklore they fled Uzbekistan in the 11th century from persecution.
Although there are Salar Turks in Gansu most live in Qinghai province in China.  I think they descend from a Turkmen tribe called Salor.

It is likely that Uyghur has influenced the Salar language due to close contact, however the origins of the Salar are Oguz, and they usually are classed as Oguz Turks rather than Eastern Turkic.

These links have Salar as an oghuz Turkic language
http://home.arcor.de/marcmarti/yugur/language/lanhist.htm
http://dmoz.org/Science/Social_Sciences/Linguistics/Langua ges/Natural/Altaic/desc.html
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=slr
http://www.answers.com/topic/salar-1

However this link classifies Salar as a deviating language in the South Eastern group which developed in the South Western (Oguz) group
http://www.turkiclanguages.com/www/classification.html

i think the most logical answer is that Salar is a language with an Oguz base which has been influenced by the Eastern Turkic languages which they passed through during their migration to their current homeland.

Hello everyone, new to the site!

I believe that the Mongolians are related to todays Turks in Turkey in only liguistic terms. As far as their relationship to earlier Turks, we know that there was a link possibly due to intercommunal marriages, but evidence that there is a genetic bond is up in the air.

I belive as was mentioned earlier that Turks and Mongols are cousens. The Turks and Monglos speak similar languages and before the Turks migrated mixed marieges did happen. The Mongol alphabet was taken fromthe Uygur Turks, Ghengis Hans childrred used Turks for advise on wars, the Golden Horde and the first dynansty of the Mameluks were a mixture of Turks and Mongols. Below are stories concernig  the origin of these people

Apparantly the Turks and Mongols are accestors of Noah's son Yafeth, from Yafeth line came a man called Turk who had sons named Tatar and Mongol. Although whether this is true or not i dont know, but its quite interesting.

In Turkic, Mongol and Chinese myths the Mongols and the Turks are anncestors of a wolf. When a wolf raised a child who then had intimate relations leading to the Mongols and Turks. The chinese believed that this is why we are hairy.

Concerning the Azeris, i belive that they are Turks as before the Russion invasion they were labled as Tatars. The reason the culture is has many diffrences is because the russions were so strict that many sunni Azeris left there land for Turkey the rest forgot a lot about there religion and customs. THanks tothere independence they are trying to revive the Azeri Turk links thus the link between Turkey and Azerbajan.

Forget about what Turkey is doing concerning Turkic nations there to busy running after the EU

Dear All,

   Hi there. Hope you're doing fine. Well, if I'm a Salur Oghuz, I know who are they, where they live and what a language they speak. Now, about Salars, I should say, they are an Oghuz descent. But, beacuse of the long time passed and the geographical distance between them and reall Oghuzes (Turkmens), their Turkish is a little bit different; but not that much that would not be understood. It's really obvious. Anyhow, don't try to learn an Oghuz (a Turkmen) who he is, where he's from. Mind your own business!!!

Sincerely,

Iltirsh

I saw you type yigrime tort.  I know that's how it's said in Uygur.  In my Turkish it's yirmi dort.  What the hell is wrong with you?  Noone is argueing with you.

Well Done, gok toruk,

Yes we are all kerdes (bros.)

Although is 24 the only number thats the same as ours, how about the rest, eg. bir, iki, uc (uch) etc?

Hi Turkogullari,

 For years and years i am trying to find who i am!!? maybe you guys here can help me with your experiences in History! Originally i am from Turkey,Anatolia.and for the experts from �rg�p-Nevsehir.International people know that place as Cappadoccia. Now can you maybe give me some clues that what i am???or who i am? I wish to be a solid Turkish like some of the Turks in Asian. but whatever i am proud to be a turkish and i feel my strong and warrior turk blood in my body,whatever if it is mixed with european or not...

  And another thing that i was in Shanghai last winter and i met with an Uighur Turk(first time in my life) who was wroking in a turkish restaurant.We had a short dialog and i was really surprised that i could understand his language.dialect was not the same.but it was a great feeling and proud,you know what i mean... waiting for your answers  ...  thanks