Journalist: U.S. planning for possible attack on Iran

Originally posted by Yiannis Genghis there's no point in seriously trying to answer the points you make in your post - because there aren't any! I'll simply repeat that "you apathy and cynism (as well as ignorance) amazes me!" That being said, I hope you stay safe in the military and that you'll never have to be used! (but never, not for a second, have any illusions that "you'll be fighting for your nation"). PS I'm currently working in Iran, so no need for postcards (I'll be hiding in the embassy, hoping that your "clever weapons" won't make any "mistake" like with the Chinese one in Belgrade)

I don't think you can seriously reply because you don't have any points, other than you despise America and want to see her ruined and humiliated. 

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri didn't Saddam use chemical weapons against Iran?

Yes, with the blessing of the Americans. I didn't see them lift a finger to "help" you back then (or even impose an arms embargo).

It seems you have a selective memory!

 

Read here:

Stockholm International Peace Research Institute

SIPRI FACT SHEET
Chemical Weapons I
May 1984
Authors: Julian Perry Robinson and Jozef Goldblat

NB: This material may be quoted freely, with attribution to SIPRI.

CHEMICAL WARFARE IN THE IRAQ-IRAN WAR

http://projects.sipri.se/cbw/research/factsheet-1984.html

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Yes, and where did he get them from?

Germany, with no doubt!

Same thing was happening in Nazi Germany.

Today it would be wise to recall how it happened that Nazi might got to power

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Yes, and where did he get them from? Germany, with no doubt!

Well, he hass German ancestors:

Several months ago, Patrick Buchanan said that he heard that the U.S. was going to go into Iran. The rumors in Washington, where I live, have been saying so for almost a year. The one that I have heard is that they are going to do a �soft� war, this is, heavy bombing with no infantry invasion. The U.S. simply does not have enough soldiers to fight another land war at this moment.

I don�t know if the gimmick of attacking a country to cause a national uprising has ever worked. I do know that the U.S. tried in Cuba in 1963. The end result was no uprising and the USSR-US nuclear crisis, which almost lead to a nuclear WWIII. The other case was Iraq, and the only uprising that occurred there has been against the U.S. occupation.

I think that an attack on Iran will create chaos for a while, the U.S. will leave, and a new religious dictatorship will take over the country again.

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Originally posted by Genghis You obviously have been listening to too much Iranian propaganda.� People debate the Iraq war all the time from cafes to Congress.� It's very presumptious of you to tell an American what life in America is like.�

Iranian propaganda?

Iranian propaganda?

you actually mean IRANIAN propaganda?

I've been told this is the shortest joke (or at least competing for the title with similar gems like "intelligent Bush" or "peaceful American" or "independent US media" or "USA is democratic", and other stuff like that) but I don't find it amusing.

Not in the least.

I am beginning to wish for a second Vietnam here (or, if Iraq carries on, a third). Maybe, just maybe, silly kids with heads filled with hot air about their country and duty and similar bullsh*t that nobody outside USA (and a couple other theocracies) believes any more, will reconsider when the coffins starting coming in the thousands rather than in the houndreds. When they realize that their friends and relatives are dying to make a gang of filthy rich people even more rich.

I won't hold my breath, though...

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Hey, the coffins are already here! The Pentagon won't let journalist take pictures of them. For the Pentagon, the problem with Vietnam was not that it was an un-winnable war, it was that journalist showed too many body bags and caskets.

Before the election, a media group refused to air the news because the anchor was going to read the name of every soldier who has died in Iraq. They said something like it was dishonoring the soldiers and that it was unpatriotic.

Originally posted by Aristoteles Iranian propaganda? Iranian propaganda? you actually mean IRANIAN propaganda?

I can't believe you're actually saying that the Islamic Republic of Iran has a free media, just like North Korea is a worker's paradise.

Originally posted by Aristoteles Maybe, just maybe, silly kids with heads filled with hot air about their country and duty and similar bullsh*t that nobody outside USA believes any more, will reconsider when the coffins starting coming in the thousands rather than in the houndreds.

Maybe it's because America is the last place where love of one's country and duty to the nation still exist is why America is the world's last remaining superpower.  So many other countries have become decadent, cowardly, and effeminate in foreign policy under America's guard.  Now all they do is sit and comment and whine to the UN.  It's precisely because America is willing to take losses in war that we shall remain the world's greatest superpower.  All great states must shed and spill blood. 

And if you want a second Vietnam, go ahead and join the Jihadists in Iraq.  At least they have the courage to give up their lives instead of merely whine and bitch about how bad America is while they sip their Starbucks cappucinos. 

Maybe it's because America is the last place where love of one's country and duty to the nation still exist

There are some other countries where love of and duty to one's country still exist. North Korea is a good example.

Originally posted by Genghis I can't believe you're actually saying that the Islamic Republic of Iran has a free media, just like North Korea is a worker's paradise.

Damn, irony goes by and doesn't even touch you... I mean, how in the nine hells can I or any other westener be exposed to "Iranian propaganda", while the only place in the world they can broadcast such propaganda is Iran itself?

When in the same time, USA is polluting the radiowaves around the whole globe with their own vulgar propaganda, with "independant media" like Fox News, CNN, CBS, NBC and the likes, who only reproduce the "official story" and pay little or no attention to such details as "truth", "dignity", "human rights", "the other side of the story" etc. etc.

Maybe it's because America is the last place where love of one's country and duty to the nation still exist is why America is the world's last remaining superpower.  So many other countries have become decadent, cowardly, and effeminate in foreign policy under America's guard.  Now all they do is sit and comment and whine to the UN.  It's precisely because America is willing to take losses in war that we shall remain the world's greatest superpower.  All great states must shed and spill blood.

What you probably will never understand (and I don't blame it on you, I blame it on the society of which you are a product) is that the whole blood spilling thing, works one-way: You (the average hot-blooded, middle or lower class american kid) spill your blood while the few megasharks of the large corporations don't spill their blood, but still those and only those reap the benefits. If USA is the sole superpower, that's an extremely tiny impact on you, but has a huge impact on them. They get the contracts, they make billion after billion... while naive kids like you believe that they do their country a service by getting killed for those raskals.

And if you want a second Vietnam, go ahead and join the Jihadists in Iraq.  At least they have the courage to give up their lives instead of merely whine and bitch about how bad America is while they sip their Starbucks cappucinos.

I hate Starbucks, they make awful coffee

I am quite sure the Iraqi patriots and the Iranians shall make your life adequately miserable. I can - and will - lobby my goddamn American-cooperating bloody government to seize doing so and impose severe sanctions on your lot. If Europe stands up, USA is doomed, I hope you understand that, don't you? The very moment Europe decides (for real, not the half-cooked attempts prior to the Iraqi war, but a serious effort to discomfort USA) to stop backing the American jingoism, you are dead meat. Wall Street will collapse in 24 hours and the road is downhill from there on...

 

BTW Dear Cornelia

All non-Republican Americans I've encountered (and they are quite many, I work with people from your side of the pond most of the time) speak the contrary. They say that contra opinions are being opposed with unorthodox means, that "independant media" is a term now confined to a niche of "small-time media nobody pays attention to", that many journalists are being openly threat if not producing the "optimal" (for Bush&gang) stories, that people liberties have taken a hike while P.A. and the likes are being imposed, that the omnipresent secret services are even more omnipresent, that voices speaking the truth get banned from several media (usually the largest ones) who serve the status quo... (edited to add this gem I forgot) and even in schools, kids suggesting that killing people ain't right, are being bullied by the (not so silent) majority, that see anyone speaking against Bush's holy crusade as "traitor".

...so, if you haven't noticed anything, you either live on a high mountain, way far from where things happen, or you don't see anything because that's what you want to see (nothing!).

Could you please explain to me?

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