What is Islamic Fascism?

I personally am convinced that Al Qaida's ideology is mostly based on religion (or rather the misinterpretation of religion).

I'm not convinced about anything concerning al-qaedia. Their actions contradict thier stated goals. They don't appear to do anything other than blow things up. No-one really knows what they are.

Al-Qaedias real hallmark is an attack that doesn't make any sense at all, perpetrated by people who are unlikely to have done it.

however al-Qaedia as sunies  have secular goals to killed all the sh*tes, so how is that settled?

If you provide me with one piece of evidence (and I don't mean hearsay by respected people) or one logical argument about this statement even being remotely true I'll believe you.

Al-Qaedia appear to be just a bunch of idiots and thugs that deserve to get the firing squad just as any other mass murderer, but not any more than any other mass murder either.

Maybe this would help. Today I run through a new concept (i mean new for me but old indeed). While "islam" may be translated in English as "religion", there is another word: "din" (like in SalaDIN). This more broadly means: religious way of life and is closer to "moral" or "ethic" than from religion. For a pious muslim, everything is within this din. Economy and politics are parts of this din and as such the very word secular is senseless as everything is supposed to be ruled by the Qu'ran, the Suna, the Fiq or the more recent fatwas.

For once glce I do diseagree with you. I do not think Mr. Bush (or any other western politician for that matter) is qualified to define who and what is islamic and what is not. If anything remember that the church (any church) is separated from the state.

One more thing for the records. What is going on in Irak must not mislead you. Al Qaeda is successful and dangerous precisely because they are fighting to unite the muslims be them Sunnis or Shiites. Just consider how easily the supposedly Al Qaeda related kurdish islamic group Ansar al Islam was crusing from the Iraki to the Iranian side of the border. Iran was a safe heaven for the ex talibans in 2003 as well. The specificity of the war in Irak is that for historic and political reasons sunnis terrorists groups such as Zarkawi's started fighting against the shiites.

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Islam literally means entering into peace. I think you mean Eman Maharbbal. (I think, I'm not sure if thats the right Arabic word, but it seems to be how people use it)

For once glce I do diseagree with you. I do not think Mr. Bush (or any other western politician for that matter) is qualified to define who and what is islamic and what is not. If anything remember that the church (any church) is separated from the state.

I think gcle is 100% right. Bush isn't defining what is Islamic or un-Islamic, the Quran does that. All bush would be doing would be speaking the truth for a change.

Edited by Omar al Hashim - 18-Aug-2006 at 01:06

I don't know if that can be of any help to the present debate, however here in Italy TV news commentators explained the "Islamic Fascism" definition as directed towards Al Qaeda and it's doctrine, in particular its (alleged?) ultimate goal of recreating a califfate.

Edited by Serge L - 19-Aug-2006 at 09:06

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Originally posted by gcle2003 What's that got to do with al-Qaeda being an Islamic movement or not? It pretends to be one certainly. And it does what it can to get Muslims to support it. But those are tactics not goals.

I see your point and yes it would be a good thing to push Al-Qaeda out of the muslim world. Yet is it even possible? Remember what Mila was saying in another thread about Islam: a Muslim is the one that claims to be one. So I persist in saying Al-Qaeda is a (rogue, violent, fascist whatever) islamic organisation. You could say it is not if Mr. Ben Laden organization was unic, but it is far from being the case.

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Itapora I didn't understand your last post who is FHC? Your last sentence is a complete mystery. Vulkan have you grasp anything?

You remind me of some one...

Originally posted by Maharbbal Originally posted by gcle2003 (Incidentally you seem to have missed the al-Qaeda spokesman recently who, with regard to the Lebanon, said 'we must not forget that Hizbulla is just as much the enemy as Israel and the US.')   Indeed I've missed it. Some links maybe?