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Topic: Turkic etymology Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 06:27 |
Proto - Altaic: ay+r
Meaning: sour milk, melted fat
Turkic: ayran
Mongolian: ayiraq
Tungus-Manchu: ayara
Comments: P erhaps Korean. ari- 'bitter', Middle Japanese era- 'rank, offensive'.
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 06:29 |
Proto - Altaic: iak
Meaning: light, white
Turkic: aq
Mongolian: jaqan
Tungus-Manchu: ixere
Korean: ikr
Japanese: aka
Comments: The final vowel is not quite clear: some languages point to *-i or *-e, others - rather to *-a.
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 06:30 |
Will get back later...
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:05 |
Proto - Altaic: ale
Meaning: below, lower
Proto - Turkic: al
Old Turkic: altin (Yensei, Uighur)
Modern Turkic: alt
Korean: arai
Japanese: arae
Comments: The tone correspondence between Korean and Japanese is irregular.
The roots *al- 'below' and *āl 'front'. They are indeed mixed in Kirghiz and Oyrat literature, where we have ald 'front, below', but are distinguished in dialects (Tuba: ald 'front', with a voicing in the consonant cluster after an old long vowel, but alty 'below'). The Chuvash form probably goes back to the compound *koltuk alty'. Most languages reflect *al-ty- (the simple form al is not attested, but the reality of the root *ăl is proved by a different derivative in Yakut, also Siberian dialects, Tatar alaa 'low, low place'. Another possible old derivative in -chak may be Proto - Turkic *aĺ(č)ak (Turkmen ashāq etc.) 'below, bottom part; low, humble': its traditional derivation from *āĺ- 'to cross (a mountain)' is unsatisfactory both phonetically and semantically. A certain problem is the attribution of the adjective *al-čak. Older occurrences of alčaq present the meaning 'modest, humble'; also Siberian dialects, Tatar alcaq 'valetudinarian', Turkmen alčak 'affable'. This group of forms may in fact reflect a different root, otherwise represented by Proto - Altaic *Alag (*ā̀le 'weak, tired'). Another group of forms -Crimean Tatar (and Oghuz texts like Korkut) alčaq 'low, low place' probably represents an Oghuz innovative derivation in -čak from the root al- (which is why -lč- did not yield -- here), perhaps influenced by Mongolian alča-gar, alča-n 'stunted, undersized', derived from Mong. alčaji- 'to spread legs apart'.
Edited by gok_toruk - 05-Oct-2006 at 05:13
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:15 |
Proto - Altaic: ala
Meaning: take, receive
Turkic: al
Mongolian: ali-
Tungus-Manchu: al(i)-
Japanese: a-
Comments: The reason for close *ạ in Proto - Turkic is unclear (*al- would be normally expected). Note, however, that the Japanese reflex represents loss of *-l- in a verbal stem, thus strongly suggesting an original monosyllabic form *ál.
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:18 |
Proto - Altaic: *ā̀le
Meaning: weak, tired, confused
Old Turkic: alaŋ-a-d- (Old Uyghur)
Middle Turkic: aluq
Modern Turkic: al-ŋ-a-sa, alang alas, alaq, (easy; weak)
Turkic: al-
Mongolian: al-
Tungus-Manchu: ali-
Korean: ari-
Japanese: ari-ka
Comments: The most probable accent reconstruction is *ā̀le, with regular correspondences between Turkic, and most Japanese dialects; Korean has a frequent "verbal" low tone.
Note Oghuz *al-čak sub al 'below'. Tends to contaminate with al 'red' and ala 'variegated', Turkmen ālaq-samsyk 'foolish' ('variegated fool'), Bashkir al-jot 'fool' ('red fellow').
Edited by gok_toruk - 07-Oct-2006 at 05:20
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:26 |
Proto - Altaic: ŋi-ōle
Meaning: red, pink; yellow
Old Turkic: al (Orkhon)
Modern Turkic: al
Mongolian: ole
Tungus-Manchu: ŋule
Korean: nure
Japanese: mura-saki
Comments: The Japanese parallel is quite convincing, despite a mismatch in tone (probably distorted in a long compound).
Edited by gok_toruk - 07-Oct-2006 at 05:21
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:30 |
Proto - Altaic: ali
Meaning: to deceive, trick
Old Turkic: al
Modern Turkic: alda(t)
Mongolian: alida
Tungus-Manchu: ali, alak
Korean: irbun
Japanese: ira-p
Comments: Ramstedt cites Korean ari- 'angry', but all dictionaries available to us only have ari- 'bitter, pungent'. A suffixed form *ā́li-b may be probably recovered in Mongolian albin, Korean *ìrbun- (and perhaps also Proto - Turkic *alba-ste) and Proto - Japanese *ira-p-.
Edited by gok_toruk - 07-Oct-2006 at 05:21
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:34 |
Proto - Altaic: p ala
Meaning: field, level ground
Turkic: ala-n / ala-ŋ
Modern Turkic: alaŋ, alas, alaq
Tungus-Manchu: pala-n
Korean: par(h)
Japanese: para
Comments: Length in the Turkmmen variant ālaŋ is not clear
Edited by gok_toruk - 05-Oct-2006 at 05:43
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:37 |
Proto - Altaic: ā̀l
Meaning: to destroy, kill
Old Turkic: alqun
Modern Turkic: alq, alqun
Mongolian: ala
Tungus-Manchu: ali
Comments: Reflexes in modern languages are not quite secure. The reflexive form alkun- 'weaken' may be derived both from *alq- and from *aluq- 'to deteriorate, disintegrate' , which belongs rather to *Al 'silly, weak', alq 'bad, weak, wicked' (in any case, cannot be morphologically identified with *alk-), thus modern languages may exhibit a contamination.
Edited by gok_toruk - 05-Oct-2006 at 05:40
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:42 |
Proto - Altaic: p iolge
Meaning: to pray, sacrifice
Old Turkic: alq-
Modern Turkic: alqysh (1 to bless, praise 2 blessing, praise 3 curse)
Mongolian: (h)ergul
Tungus-Manchu: pulqa
Japanese: punk (-ua-)
Comments: An interesting common Altaic religious term.
Edited by gok_toruk - 05-Oct-2006 at 05:47
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:45 |
Proto - Altaic: alpa
Meaning: unable, sick; being at service, man-at-arms
Turkic: alp (1 difficult, hard 2 warrior 3 hero 4 brave 5 giant 6 landlord)
Mongolian: alba-n
Tungus-Manchu: alba-
Korean: arpha-
Japanese: apar-
Comments: Clauson's hypothesis that the reflexes of *alpawut in recent languages are the result of a re-borrowing from Mongolian , partly contaminated with Mongolian alban 'tax', is unnecessary: a semantic shift 'warrior' > 'gentry' > 'landlord' seems to be natural borrowing from Mongolian alba-tu in Tuva, Oyrat albatu, albatq, Kirghiz. albat 'tax-payers, people'.
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:49 |
Proto - Altaic: am
Meaning: to be quiet; sleep
Old Turkic: am
Modern Turkic: amraq, amaraq, amra (1 gentle, quiet 2 to love, desire, rejoice 3 politeness 4 beloved 5 to be quiet)
Mongolian: amu, ami
Tungus-Manchu: am
Comments: The root presents considerable difficulties because of widespread later interlingual borrowings. A specific problem is raised by initial h- in some Southern Mongolian forms ( hamura-, hamera-, xamurā- 'to rest'). The aspiration here is evidently secondary, because it is absent both in Dagur and in most attested Middle Mongolian sources. It is, therefore, probable that these forms are in fact borrowed from modern Turkic dialects with secondary aspiration (h- in Khalaj). This would be indeed an argument in favour of the whole *amura- group of words in Mongolian to be regarded as borrowed from Turkic (although later reborrowings into modern Turkic languages were, of course, also possible). However, significant semantic and formal differences do not allow us to regard as borrowed, on the one hand, the Turkic forms going back to attested Old Uyghur (e.g. amur- 'to love), on the other hand, Mongolian ami-n 'life, soul' and amu- 'to rest'.
Also confused with abra- 'to save'
Edited by gok_toruk - 05-Oct-2006 at 05:50
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:54 |
Proto - Altaic: e
Meaning: that (deictic root)
Proto - Turkic: a(-n)
Old Turkic: an-ta (loc.), aŋ-ar (dat.) (Orkhon)
Modern Turkic: anda, onda
Mongolian: e-ne
Tungus-Manchu: e-
Korean: a-mo
Japanese: a
Comments: In most modern languages the root a(n)- acts as an oblique stem for ol 'that' (as well as a deriving stem for pronominal adverbs). Only in Sari Uyghur, a- is the direct stem.
Edited by gok_toruk - 05-Oct-2006 at 05:55
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:56 |
Proto - Altaic: ena
Meaning: mother, elder sister
Turkic: ana/ene
Tungus-Manchu: eni
Korean: eni
Japanese: anai
Comments: A "nursery word" (like most kinship terms), but no doubt archaic
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:59 |
Proto - Altaic: ŋana
Meaning: clear sky
Old Turkic: anar
Modern Turkic: ayas, ayaz
Tungus-Manchu: naŋna
Japanese: amai
Comments: A metathesis (typical for roots with two nasals): *ńaŋńa < *ŋań-ŋa.
A different suffixation is seen Kazak, Kirghiz ajuq 'clear (weather'). A derivative *an-gyr- (pointing to original *-n-) is found in Kazak aŋzaq, Turkmen aŋzaq 'cold with dry wind'.
Edited by gok_toruk - 05-Oct-2006 at 06:04
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 06:04 |
Proto - Altaic: anta
Meaning: oath; comrade, match
Turkic: anta
Mongolian: anda
Tungus-Manchu: anda
Japanese: anta
Comments: -----
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Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 06:18 |
Originally posted by kajdom
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Posted: 07-Oct-2006 at 05:19 |
Proto - Altaic: *enu ( -o)
Meaning: to beware, attention
Old Turkic: anu-
Modern Turkic: anyq (1 ready, certain 2 to get ready)
Tungus-Manchu: (x)en- te-
Comments: ------------------
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