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Chilbudios
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Topic: "Slavic settlements in the Balkans" Posted: 17-Jan-2008 at 13:38 |
I think the term is about presiding public games (possibly in this context horse races or something alike).
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Posted: 17-Jan-2008 at 14:31 |
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well flipper the fact that something seems unbelievable it doesn't mean it isn't true.Do you know the other one?All Ghegs are albanisated serbs.There are other similar claims about Tosks...i think you know what im talking about. regards!
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Oh no, i had no idea about this.
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Posted: 17-Jan-2008 at 17:03 |
Originally posted by Chilbudios
I think the term is about presiding public games (possibly in this context horse races or something alike). |
Hehe this man is going to be famous soon. Actually that is just a fragment of the inscription regarding that mysterious "Albanos" man. The whole inscription refers to some millitary officers of various possitions in the area of Asia Minor and Achaia (Note: Asian Achaia, between Torikos and Kolchis). Race regulator could be as you said about public games, but since he is a millitary man i believe they use the "race" as a struggle. The word is composite from Agonas and Thetis. Agonas means struggle, race, fight, match, game etc...Thetis is product of the verb Theto which means "I place/I put". You use it also when you "lay the basis" for something, declare something or when you regulate. So by my opinion this could be a man who played a major role in millitary expeditions. Something interresting is that some strange names appear in that stele e.g Sexton Kyinktilion son of Sextu Walerius Maximus Nerua Sevasti Germanikianis Can anybody trace these names somehow? Except from the name Sevasti which is Greek (but not the surname) the rest are pretty weird. I know it is of topic but since we spotted this man and discussed his name and ethnicity, I'm curious about the origin of the other names.
Edited by Flipper - 17-Jan-2008 at 18:29
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Posted: 17-Jan-2008 at 17:13 |
Originally posted by Flipper
Something interresting is that some strange names appear in that stele e.g
Sexton Kyinktilion son of Sextu Walerius Maximus Nerua Sevasti Germanikianis
Can anybody trace these names somehow? Except from the name Sevasti which is Greek (but not the surname) the rest are pretty weird.
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Sextus Quintilius son of Sextus, Valerius Maximus, Nero
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Posted: 17-Jan-2008 at 17:15 |
Right on spot Beorna! You're right!
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Posted: 17-Jan-2008 at 17:23 |
Sebastos Germanikos would be the Greek translation of Augustus Germanicus.
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Posted: 17-Jan-2008 at 17:31 |
Good job guys!
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Posted: 17-Jan-2008 at 17:33 |
Oh, and on "agonsthetes", many workers/functionaries in the Ancient Greek/Byzantine world were "thetes" or "-thetes". I will check some lexicons for the exact meaning of the word.
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Posted: 17-Jan-2008 at 18:29 |
Thesmothetes = he who creates an ordinance (Solon was a thesmothetes) Nomothetes = legislator
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Posted: 18-Jan-2008 at 12:19 |
I've found the word in Lowndes' lexicon (1837) "s.m. the president of the games, rewarder"
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Posted: 01-Feb-2008 at 14:23 |
"All Ghegs are albanized Serbs". Bigger crap I haven't heard, except about the Catholic and Moslem Serbs perhaps.
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Posted: 01-Feb-2008 at 14:42 |
Here are some Slavic lands after the migrations of White Croats and White Serbs, precise borders should be taken with reserve:
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Posted: 01-Feb-2008 at 14:46 |
Yugoslav, what timeframe does that map represent?
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Posted: 01-Feb-2008 at 15:09 |
The first half of the 7th century (the arrival of masses of Slavs, that is Croats and then Serbs).
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Posted: 03-Feb-2008 at 13:46 |
Salan and Glad are characters from Gesta Hungarorum (and AFAIK that's the only source mentioning them) placing them in the end of the 9th-10th century. The map is wrong (if it gives your dating) or you're wrong and the map is indeed showing a late 9th - 10th century perspective (though some other criticisms may be issued).
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Posted: 04-Feb-2008 at 11:21 |
Hmmm.... don't the Slavs actually arrive couple centuries earlier?
And the map you have displayed... does it only show the segmentation of the Slav tribes on present day territories of Serbia and Montenegro?
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Posted: 04-Feb-2008 at 11:28 |
Originally posted by Yugoslav
"All Ghegs are albanized Serbs".
Bigger crap I haven't heard, except about the Catholic and Moslem Serbs perhaps.
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I dont think there are catholic Serbs in Albania,as for the Muslim ones everybody knows they are Serbs,they live in Kukes and are called Goran.
Hey,but thats not the end of it,they say all Albanian language is just a bastardised Serbian language,others freely acuse every Albanian of being muslim,( well i know there is nothing to acuse there if somebody is muslim,but given the current global political climate it seams a favorable acusation to make by the Serbs) man you people over the border make up your mind were you stand,you cant keep changing theories,choose one of the hundreds you throwing about and stick by it,no problem if it does not make sense.
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Posted: 04-Feb-2008 at 13:22 |
Originally posted by Onogur
Hmmm.... don't the Slavs actually arrive couple centuries earlier?
And the map you have displayed... does it only show the segmentation of the Slav tribes on present day territories of Serbia and Montenegro? |
No, no; former Yugoslavia.
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Posted: 04-Feb-2008 at 13:27 |
Originally posted by HEROI
Originally posted by Yugoslav
"All Ghegs are albanized Serbs".
Bigger crap I haven't heard, except about the Catholic and Moslem Serbs perhaps.
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I dont think there are catholic Serbs in Albania,as for the Muslim ones everybody knows they are Serbs,they live in Kukes and are called Goran.
Hey,but thats not the end of it,they say all Albanian language is just a bastardised Serbian language,others freely acuse every Albanian of being muslim,( well i know there is nothing to acuse there if somebody is muslim,but given the current global political climate it seams a favorable acusation to make by the Serbs) man you people over the border make up your mind were you stand,you cant keep changing theories,choose one of the hundreds you throwing about and stick by it,no problem if it does not make sense. |
Just please don't connote me with that.
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Posted: 04-Feb-2008 at 19:37 |
Originally posted by Onogur
Hmmm.... don't the Slavs actually arrive couple centuries earlier?
And the map you have displayed... does it only show the segmentation of the Slav tribes on present day territories of Serbia and Montenegro? |
Slavs came in various waves from the early 6th ct. on. Most of Bosnia proper had been settled by Slavs before the coming of the Serb tribes and the Croat tribes, the problem with the map I have is that it marginalized Slavs into two sub-groups, when those two were not so numerous as to predestine the two as the only ones or the "majority."
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