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    Posted: 16-Nov-2005 at 06:23

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Originally posted by ok Ge

...The number one element in raising a healthy society is a healthy family. Otherwise, why governments are spending all that money in family support and dealing with high divorce rates

I have doubts about the role of the family in a society. I admit that there are strong love ties between family members but I think that the role of the family is much overemphasized to keep, opposition towards some traditional oppressing features of the society, limited. For me, it is used to legitimize being submissive to traditional oppression in a society. What do you think?

 

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  Quote Infidel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2005 at 08:28

I value much the value of the family, especially the close one (mother, father, brother, sister). It's essencial for one to grow as an individual, to protect you, to comfort you, to provide a safe harbor against all hardships of life, etc.

Of course, if the family somewhat abuses you or doesn't let you follow your way from a certain point, it is sad and regretful, but still it doesn't diminish their role as the basis for your growth as person in a society and in life. 

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  Quote Seko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2005 at 08:46

I definitely think a psychological and spiritual healthy family fosters an atmosphere conducive to a child's healthy developement. Besides the basic needs of food, water and oxygen humans have pychological needs that desire fulfillment as well. Whether this comes from a traditional family or not, adults are responsible for fostering a mature foundation. Love is only one such concept. Others could be socialization, responsibility, asserting individual rights, fun and enjoyment, plus accomplishments. OF course healthy functioning familiies will have difficulties and obstacles put before them. Yet the foundation to meet healthy developemental growth seems greater with a functioning unit than without one.

The key is for healthy functioning. Traditional families are most beneficial but they do not own the patent on this (foster homes and orphanages are available too). However, traditional families can be just as dysfunctional as any other system. Single parent families can also be successful but it would take extra pressure on the sole parent towards providing the necessary foundation.

We tend to be born into a family if we are fortunate anyway. Those who were raised without a functioning parent(s) or adult(s), due to innumerable and unfortunate reasons, will lack the beneficial environment needed for the above mentioned needs. It is not impossible for a child to become healthy even out of disturbed environments but it would be very difficult.

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Family comes from Latin familia, meaning group of famuli or doemstic slaves. Roman Patriarchy gave whole authority into the Pater Familias, who had right of life and death over not just slaves but wife and children.

That's the origin of the "holy" family, pillar of society. Of course there are other more natural and cohesive familiar groups but beware of the traditional family: it's just a patriarchal institution with too many negative constraints.

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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2005 at 09:54
Well, I'm rather interested in the social/political dimension. For example, in most of the societies, the family is an institution where patriarchy is reproduced. A "family life" is imposed on people for not to be marginalized. The overemphasis on "the family" works for keeping the society rather static and unquestioning I think... Also, when you work in a business or when you come to a certain age, you are psychologically forced to establish a "family life". In business life, you cannot freely question your working conditions because it is said that "Hey you have a family! You have to provide their subsistance. If you don't like your working conditions, there are many people we can find instead of you and your family will suffer from this!". Or when you come to a certain age you are pschologically (and in the more traditional societies physically) forced to marry by the environment. Family, with all beauties it has, has the seed of conservatism inside. All the traditional ideas, oppressive ones along with the moral ones, are imposed on the individuals from the very first steps of life. Especially patriarchy is imposed in the subconsciousness of children. In order to overthrow the idea of patriarchism, the child has to put an intentional endeavour. I think the family has such implicit negative roles, but of course I love my family members
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  Quote Kynsi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2005 at 12:55
I am with those who say it is the base of a society.

They say that the chain is as strong as its weakest link.
It is a known fact that chlidren with a poor "family life" have a higher risk to become a threat to society(criminals and such).
Therefore I strongly think that a good and supportive family and enviroment indeed is a basis of a good citizen and good citizens make a good society.

It is a very vague thing to say what kind of ideals will the family impose to the child. Probably upbringing is as variable as there are families. For example a family with a single mother probably will not emphazise patriarchy.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2005 at 13:00

kotumeyil... correct me if i'm wrong..u are not so agree with family concept, is it because u dont like the responsibility and commitment which u should have when getting married? seems u dont like to bear the burden and attachment tht u should have once u get married...or it just a rebellious opinion due to some unsatisfication?

For me.. family is a basic foundation of society... communication and social skills start from relationship among family members.. respect and moral values as u already clarified in ur comments..I agree with most of u here whereby to say regarding the importance of family instituition within society...

Yes.. there will be string attach... whether u are the parents or children..but as a person..to have someone to care and to love and getting bck the same affection will be more valuable thn nothing else.. the obligation when having a family is quite tough and not a simple thing.. i agree with that..

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Family, with all beauties it has, has the seed of conservatism inside. All the traditional ideas, oppressive ones along with the moral ones, are imposed on the individuals from the very first steps of life. Especially patriarchy is imposed in the subconsciousness of children. In order to overthrow the idea of patriarchism, the child has to put an intentional endeavour. I think the family has such implicit negative roles, but of course I love my family members


If u want to deny the importance of family concept and the significant roles a patriarchy (here we would say... a father?) thn wht u suggest? once a child being born , should him or her straight away being sent to some sort of a boarding school for them to start a life? How a children in ur society can learn to live in ur environment? can u suggest any replacement concept? even when u are working u have to tolerate and accept instruction from ur superior...

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  Quote ok ge Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2005 at 15:56

Originally posted by Maju

Family comes from Latin familia, meaning group of famuli or doemstic slaves. Roman Patriarchy gave whole authority into the Pater Familias, who had right of life and death over not just slaves but wife and children. 

The concept of Familia in Latin is not universal, though the family raising is universal. In Arabic family means 'Aela stemming from the verb Ya'oul or to support. So a family is a collective organized group of supporters and custodians. All share a responsiblity of support.

Originally posted by kotumeyil

Well, I'm rather interested in the social/political dimension.

Sure, in this case, the social dimension of a family is the best illustrative example of family's importance. To be precise, research on single parenting indicated earlier that separation or divorce only had short-term effects, more recent research suggests the effect can be more lasting.

For instance, researchers in Sweden observed between 1991 and 1998 for more than 65,000 children in single-parent households and more than 920,000 children in households with two parents.

After adjusting for other factors, children with a lone parent were found to be twice as likely to have a psychiatric disease compared to their two-parent counterparts. They were also at double the risk for suicide attempts and for alcohol-related diseases. The chances of drug abuse were three times as high among girls and four times as high among boys in single-parent households. Boys in single-parent households were more likely than girls to develop psychiatric and narcotics-related problems and were also more likely to die of any cause.

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Originally posted by kotumeyil

In business life, you cannot freely question your working conditions because it is said that "Hey you have a family! You have to provide their subsistance. If you don't like your working conditions, there are many people we can find instead of you and your family will suffer from this!".

Being threatened of losing what support your responsibilites does not mean your responsibilities are a false burden on you. Your boss can threat your co-worker differently as "if you don't like working here, you will be fired and you cannot support your 6 parrots, 3 cats, and one goat"

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Originally posted by kotumeyil

Especially patriarchy is imposed in the subconsciousness of children. In order to overthrow the idea of patriarchism, the child has to put an intentional endeavour. I think the family has such implicit negative roles, but of course I love my family members

The fact that patriarchy is imposed by families does not mean that families generally produce patriarchy. married couple choose what type of uprising they see suitable for their children as what a single parent might do too. The only difference is that the responsibility is normally divided and no burden is imposed on a single parent.

While some single parents succeeded in offsetting the challenge, the general trend from imperial studies shows that most single-parents fails in keeping up that shortage.



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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2005 at 16:11
It is nothing about resposibility. My problem is with the overemphasis on the notion of "holy family" in the traditional and modern capitalist societies.. Yes, the family is an important institution and provides the basic needs of an individual when he/she is first born. However, in these societies, it does much more than this: It teaches submission to traditional paradigmas, patriarchy, etc. I think the role of the family in the education of a child should be decreased while collective social education's role should be increased. Of course this should go hand in hand with a political/social revolution or nothing will change much
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Nov-2005 at 18:53
Famillies are fine, i see no need for a monolithic definition there of though.
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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Nov-2005 at 07:52

Originally posted by Infidel

I value much the value of the family, especially the close one (mother, father, brother, sister). It's essencial for one to grow as an individual, to protect you, to comfort you, to provide a safe harbor against all hardships of life, etc.

I share the sentiment but would not say 'especially the close one'. In the modern West, at least, a lot of social weakness comes from the decline of the extended family. The support structure of the extended family can be vital in providing for full individual growth, in particular in learning concepts of sharing and other aspects of socialisation in childhood.

I'm an only child myself, but I think it was exceptionally beneficial to me to be part of a family in which I had fifteen first cousins within a few years either way of my age living in the same town, with three or four of whom I had very close relationships (seeing them every day, going to school together and so on).

Originally posted by kotumeyil

It is nothing about resposibility. My problem is with the overemphasis on the notion of "holy family" in the traditional and modern capitalist societies.. Yes, the family is an important institution and provides the basic needs of an individual when he/she is first born. However, in these societies, it does much more than this: It teaches submission to traditional paradigmas, patriarchy, etc. I think the role of the family in the education of a child should be decreased while collective social education's role should be increased. Of course this should go hand in hand with a political/social revolution or nothing will change much

It would seem you are stuck with a specific form of family and one that i would also object too. But you are wrong to think that all family structures are the same, or inculcate the same values. In fact the need to keep the whole of a family working together can be vital in inculcating such things as the need for co-operation, and, indeed, for democratic decision-making.

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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Nov-2005 at 10:15
In the modern West, at least, a lot of social weakness comes from the decline of the extended family.


Thats down to mobility, people move around alot more. When i lived in Wales we effectivly had an extended family, but when we moved away that was obviously gone (save for the 3 generations under one roof bit). The mobility has helped to increase prosperity (for those most able to take advantage of it more than others obviously), and thus degree of mobility and by extention, less dependance on extended family, is seen as a mark of success.
I see it making a come back though, for economic reasons, you already have an increasing number of people living 'at home' longer, simply because of the cost of living in some areas. The real problem is that an entire generation of housing stock that isn't designed for this dominates the housing market, so again, anyone wanting to buy a house that caters very well for the needs of an extended family under one roof needs the money, but if you have the money, then you aren't likely to be doing it. Unless of course you don't mind sharing your bedroom with another generation.

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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Nov-2005 at 12:41

Originally posted by Cywr

In the modern West, at least, a lot of social weakness comes from the decline of the extended family.


Thats down to mobility, people move around alot more. When i lived in Wales we effectivly had an extended family, but when we moved away that was obviously gone (save for the 3 generations under one roof bit). The mobility has helped to increase prosperity (for those most able to take advantage of it more than others obviously), and thus degree of mobility and by extention, less dependance on extended family, is seen as a mark of success.
I see it making a come back though, for economic reasons, you already have an increasing number of people living 'at home' longer, simply because of the cost of living in some areas. The real problem is that an entire generation of housing stock that isn't designed for this dominates the housing market, so again, anyone wanting to buy a house that caters very well for the needs of an extended family under one roof needs the money, but if you have the money, then you aren't likely to be doing it. Unless of course you don't mind sharing your bedroom with another generation.

I agree that's the reason for the problem.

It's interesting that here in Luxembourg, which, while full of sophiticated service industries now, is only a generation or two away from being almost entirely mining and farming, there is still a strong tendency for children to buy or build houses near their parents.

You don't actually get family enclaves but you do get families still living in the same village.

That I suppose is largely just because it is such a small country. You might as well live near your parents and brothers and sisters because it doesn't take long to get from home to work anyway[1].

[1] Most of the time if you drive is spent in traffic jams  caused by the fact that the place is in a continual state of redevelopment.

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