Umayyad Caliphate - Turkish Khanates

The main struggle between urban living Khazars and Arabs were the control of Armenia and at the end of 100 years war, Armenia remained in Khazar Hands.

However, nomadic living Turgish and Gok Turks did not intend to invade Arabic lands, their particular aim was always raiding and gaining trophies.

Only Turgish Khan Sulu probably wanted to conquer Soghdia but he was stopped by Umayyads at Juzjan. After this defeat, he retreated to the northern banks of Jaxartes.

No, Umayyads have never occupied Turkish lands. But moreover, there were no significant amount of a Turkic band who served in Umayyad Caliphate.

Turkish Mercenaries served in Abbasid caliphate when it was much smaller than the Abbasid Caliphate ...

Every country had a few of others off course. War captives, etc.. In that case we had even an arabic high ranking officer, who was trying to depose the Umayyid Caliph.

Hulaguhan if you are serious you are wrong arab fought with turk many times,ome time we defeated but finaly we conqured turkish land and ruled it.

In Abbasid caliphate arab ruled  all the  from iran to china all the land east iran was a turkih land. arminia  was an arabic county until the breakup of abbasid . the turk defeated at teblisi when abbasid army sieged the city and burned it. in caliph Alwathiq era.

finaly maybe arab didnot conqured all turkih land  but they take almost  of it.

The Turk are great warior but the destroyed the arabic cultural by thier behvier after their supremacy over the Arab.

Hulaguhan if you are serious you are wrong arab fought with turk many times,ome time we defeated but finaly we conqured turkish land and ruled it.

In Abbasid caliphate arab ruled  all the  from iran to china all the land east iran was a turkih land. arminia  was an arabic county until the breakup of abbasid . the turk defeated at teblisi when abbasid army sieged the city and burned it. in caliph Alwathiq era.

finaly maybe arab didnot conqured all turkih land  but they take almost  of it.

The Turk are great warior but the destroyed the arabic cultural by thier behvier after their supremacy over the Arab.

There was No Military supremacy over us, When the last Arab Khalif recognised The Turkish Pretenders to the Khalifate the people did nothing.

The Only times the Turks dared to interrupt the arab culture was in 1850 in what is now lebanon, they Crucified Muslims ( I do not know if they were Shia or Sunni) who were Upset about the druze being made a protected people. (dahimmate)

Hulaguhan if you are serious you are wrong arab fought with turk many times,ome time we defeated but finaly we conqured turkish land and ruled it.

Where is that Turkish land? I am really curious.

In Abbasid caliphate arab ruled  all the  from iran to china all the land east iran was a turkih land. arminia  was an arabic county until the breakup of abbasid . the turk defeated at teblisi when abbasid army sieged the city and burned it. in caliph Alwathiq era.

Is Armenia a Turkish land? And you said you border China. I recommend you to restudy geography again. Turks do not live in between Iran and China. Turks lived in the northern banks of Jaxartes, and Inner Mongolia and Mongolia. I have never seen an arab who passed Jaxartes until Talas. And in Talas we were allies. Eastern Iran is Afghan lands. In East of Iran Afghans (Iranic) and Indians live. If you search Turks, go north.

finaly maybe arab didnot conqured all turkih land  but they take almost  of it.

Almost all?, I am laughing so that I can not write at the moment.

The Turk are great warior but the destroyed the arabic cultural by thier behvier after their supremacy over the Arab.

Now Turks are guilty huh?

Dont get  me wrong Hulagu i meant the tukish who served under abbasid caliphate but turk have a great civilization.

Yes that is a correct fact, your Turkish Mercenaries did bad things there. And after that moment, the role of Turks start in Arabic Empire. Abbasids also controlled none of the Turkic lands. they just had Turkic mercenaries. Do Greeks say, they conquered Nordic tribes after having a Varangian Mercenary band?

Mates please learn the Turkik lands carefully...

We are happy with Islam, since we prefered to be muslim, but the wet Arab dreams are boring. Let me analyze you where you conquered.

Iranic World, Semitic world, Hemitic World, Spain but not all of it. That' s it... THere are some additions of Sicily, Crete and etc... but these places are too few percentages of the native inhabitants.

Core area of Khazars in 600:

Khazars expanded and took the caucasian people under  her Control, becomes an Empire:

Take a look at the map in 800: Most of Armenia still in Roman hands (Armenia in that era was the east Anatolia), a little part passed to Arabs. And Armenia is not a Turkic land, It is a land which was temporarily ruled by Turks...

THe place of Iranians and Turks were different. Iran was under Arabic occupation. It is true that it was a Persian who deposed Umayyads and Iranians became equal of Arabs in the Caliphate. Now Turks are different, Umayyads never had Turks as their subjugates or mercenaries. I heard Qutaiba had an 2000 archer cavalry contigent but it is highly likely they were Iranian. THe writer in the website had no proof.

Emre, in 830s Turks were recruited to Abbasid army and our fights were over. Abbasids turned to a defensive stance against Romans. Turks were recruited to counter Roman offenses. In 830s we were in peace not war, Turks were the northeastern neighbors of Arabic empire, trading each other. in that era Abbasids have the Roman threat and until 1055 Abbassids were under Roman pressure.

Arab-Turkish wars in middle asia happened for a very short while in between 700-740s. After Talas, Tibetans (a very long term ally of Turks) got the area, and that case was closed.

Khazar - Arab war happened in between 650-760. This was very long. At the end both sides got nothing, for just a small land of Armenia, two titans clashed. It favored the Romans, and that is the reason they conquered eastern Anatolia back. Khazars lost their Anatolian and Azerbaijani lands, likewise arabs did. Romans won that struggle.

Anyway, I think this issue should be closed. Lets turn back to the other one.

Which Islamic Empire is the greatest? I think Umayyads and Ottomans are the finalists.

Yes stadium: Sukru Saracoglu

who wins? My favorite is Ottomans because they conquered more Christian lands.

Correct, Turks were holding those places called Tokharistan, Soghdia, etc... BUT they were not our homelands, they were our colonies. You kicked our asses us out (congrads to you, Umayyads were the strongest opponent we have ever encountered after Chinese I suppose) and those places became your colonies.

We should be more specific, in WW1, we lost our arabian lands. British conquered our colonies not our lands. tokharistan and Soghdia is the northeastern part of Iranic world. It is Iranic world you conquered, almost. Turkic world, the homelands start above the Jaxartes.

Not really, actually they helped us to control the western Central asia completely.

The thing is there were more Turks (Kereyits,  Merkits, Naimans, and later Turkmens, Kipchaks) in the Mongolian side than the Islamic side. whole Karluks, Qarakanids were the subjects of Mongols.

In reality, Turks and Mongols did not have a hereditery struggle except the Tu'c-hueh - Juan Juan struggle. Temujin united the Turko Mongol tribes of Mongolia with the help of Kereyits.

but that will not change the fact that Mongols ruled and conquered the Turks.

Only Mamelukes had independence, rest of the Turkics were under the rule of Mongols, their very subjects.

I would say not only for Turks but also for Mongols and tungus, greatest threat ever was Chinese, because they were in the beginning a magnificent culture with a high magnetic field close to us. Take a look at Tungus Manchuria or Mongolian Mongolia. All are Sinicized now. Forget both of them, only Turks survived, and thanks after all to Islam, our divine religion, and off course except the Aryan racists, the Persians.

After embracing Islam, it was now the Turks who lived in a complete civilized way...

the main reasons why Turks immigrated west are 1) poor resources of Mongolia (Ahmed if I send you there, how long can you live there?) 2) chinese pressure...

All Mongolians except the ones lived in Mongolia were first Islamized than Turkified.

I consider the memluk state one of gretest turkish state they defeated all strongest armies in their era mongol&crusader armies.

BAYBERS is my favorite leader.

now i belive we didn't conquer your homeland but we ruled  your colonies and the people who lived on it  i think they were turk because from where abbasids fetched the mercinries