Turkish Creation myths and Korea

Ok, I know you've all probably read a whole bunch of Korean nationalist sites about this but let's look at this.

I read an article from here: http://www.cangoknil.com/english/essays/creation.html

about Turkish cration myths and some parts of it just kind of got me.

Take this





This may just be a coincidence, but IMHO Tangri sounds a lot like Dangun. The whole using nature to teach the people also reminds me of the Dangun myth. Although that whole story is a pretty typical creation myth.


This part also drew my attention.




In Gaya and Shilla the term "干" or Gan [간] was a common term to denote a chief, king, shaman, or any mix of the three. Some titles in Shilla for kings were 麻立干[Maripgan 마립간] and 居西干[Geoseogan 거서간] Could there possibly be a connection?

One other thing that I would ponder here is that even if there is a connection would it be wise to consider these connections collectively? What I mean is that Tangri sounds like Dangun, which was a title in Gojoseon. Kam sounds like Gan which was a title in Gaya and Shilla. Would it be wise to extend that connection between Gojoseon and Gaya+Shilla?

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I know they are very interesting similarities between Koreans, Turks and Japanese myths and historycaly. I wish i could explain it more but i have no time

there is also a Siberian connection in that the mythical mother of Dangun used to be a bear..

and Gaya's first queen was from India.. is that historical or mythical? or most likely, part-part?

The name "Siberia" or "Sibirya" comes from old-Turkish.

a question to baracuda, can you translate the creation myths of Turkish legends? Here are some links (in Turkish)

http://nihalatsiz.org/anasayfa.htm

http://www.ku.edu/carrie/texts/carrie_books/paksoy-3/turk07. html

http://www.ozturkler.com/data/0001/0001_18.htm

or maybe here in english http://www.ozturkler.com/data_english/english.html

   The name "Tangri (God) Kara Han" interests me since "Han �� ��" is read as "Kara" in Japanese. Kara is a Japanese name for Gaya and the word Han sometimes represented Gaya as well. Probably the words "Kara" and "Han" mean something good and great.

   As for "Kam".

In Gaya and Shilla the term "��" or Gan [��] was a common term to denote a chief, king, shaman, or any mix of the three. Some titles in Shilla for kings were ثء��[Maripgan ������] and �����[Geoseogan �ż���] Could there possibly be a connection?

Baekje also used the word, "Guhn-gil-ji" for "king", which "guhn" sounds similar to "gan" of Silla and Gaya. But Goguryeo used "Gae" which sounds quite different.

Anyways I think they are all related to "kahn" or "kam" of Mongolian and of Turkic languages. Although we never can be so sure for the history, linguistics, and geneology of these lands are considered as one of the most puzzling.

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Icons other objects of 'holiness' belief that ancestors will help you, visiting their graves.. leaving something at their graves for them (no not meaning flowers etc)...pretty general for now, I'll think of some more..

yup, kara means black or land.  Hence mountains called Kara Qumlum.

Tengri besides meaning god, also means the heaven.

So Tengri Kara Khan also means King of Heaven and Earth or King mendated by Heaven and Earth.

It's a mountain in China.

That word means Cloud in the Turkic language I think.

There's many different spellings for that word.  Also spelled as Kumlun

Originally posted by hansioux It's a mountain in China. That word means Cloud in the Turkic language I think. There's many different spellings for that word.  Also spelled as Kumlun

Maybe its off topic but are Taiwannese peepz same as the Chinese Hmong Mao or wathever? Is there a big Differents between Taiwannese and the Chinese lang?

Btw the name of Siberia was given to these lands because of the tribe living there.

The name of the tribe was Sibirs(or Sabars) and they were Turkic .