America�s borders

Do you think Americans, on the private level, have the right to organize and assist the border patrol in apprehending illegal immigrants?

It is well organized and trouble makers are kept out. They are only acting as eyes and ears to assist the government because the Bush administration refuses to secure the borders in a time of war.

I oppose illegal immigration but something needs to be done to help our neighbors to the south, no easy solutions. I have spent time in Mexico working with people, building homes and providing food. I will not say poor because many of them were rich in spirit and some of the best folks I have met, the Greeks also!! Disease is another issue with illegal immigrants such as multi resistant TB, also brought in by Russian immigrants.


http://www.minutemanproject.com/

This is strictly a volunteer project. No financial subsidies are available. And, you will probably need a tent, sleeping bag, hiking gear, etc. You are responsible for all costs associated with your participation.



Our policy of passive activity will be to OBSERVE with the aid of binoculars - telescopes - night vision scopes, and inform the U.S. Border Patrol of the location of illegal activity so that border patrol agents can investigate.

We will not be confrontational with anyone. The tentative area of observation will be a 20-mile stretch of lowlands across the San Pedro Valley in southeast Arizona.   

I hope to bring serious media and political attention to this event. It will tune the American people into the shameful fact that 21st century minutemen/women have to help secure US borders because the US government REFUSES to provide our dutiful U.S. Border Patrol and Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) with the manpower and funding required to do so.

The estimated cost per person (for 30 days) could be as high as $3,500, or as low as $1,200, depending on your travel, meal and lodging arrangements. Costs can be substantially lower for those who share two-bed lodging rooms, or take advantage of land owner's low fee land use for RV parking and/or tenting. I intend to stay the entire 30 days of this mission, however, that length of time is not a requirement to volunteer.

The Tombstone area offers some interesting hunting, hiking, camping, horse riding and mountain climbing opportunities for avid outdoorsmen/women.

If YOU are interested in participating in this unprecedented event, please contact me via email at:

century21minuteman@sbcglobal.net   [ all lower case ]

or visit the website: www.minutemanproject.com

Please provide a brief history of yourself. For example, your vocation, any military background, outdoors (outback) experience, etc. There are no prerequisites for joining this mission, however, I would like to know something about the experiences of those responding to this invitation.

The Minuteman Project welcomes participants regardless of gender, race, color, creed, age, or physical disability. An enthusiastic invitation is extended to current and former members of any law    enforcement organization, or military   veterans with reconnaisance (LRRP) or intelligence gathering experience.

YEs, if they come in LEGALLY. I don't like Illegal immigrants who treat the USA as if they were still in MExico. I am not saying leave youe culture, but as my ancestors came and Had to learn English to get by, Mexicans I think Should learn it as well, or try to. I no not all can in all situations, but a wide majority should learn it.

Edited by lastbout

Originally posted by Tobodai fine than lets remove all illegal and non processed immigrants starting at the year 1492...bye bye sukas!

It is too late for that but any nation has a right to protect its borders against anyone who enters illegally. All my ancestors came legally and went through the process at Elis Island. I do not single out any group and I would turn in an illegal German or whatever in a heart beat.

I have supported increased immigration from Canada and Mexico but legal. The illegals are more and more coming from all over the world and in many cases they are bringing in diseases that were dealt with a long time ago like TB and some other wierd diseases that I had never heard of, I think it was Shagas.

The obligarchy that really runs our nation wants the cheap labor even at the cost of leaving our borders wide open in a time of war and terror.

Bush is doing nothing about our borders and this is making many Americans angry. I support the Minute Man project and I consider them patriots. I would go if I had the time but they will only allow so many people to participate to keep it under control and keep the bad apples out. They are only going to be the eyes and ears ro the border patrol and that is all.

It is too late for that but any nation has a right to protect its borders against anyone who enters illegally. All my ancestors came legally and went through the process at Elis Island. I do not single out any group and I would turn in an illegal German or whatever in a heart beat. I have supported increased immigration from Canada and Mexico but legal. The illegals are more and more coming from all over the world and in many cases they are bringing in diseases that were dealt with a long time ago like TB and some other wierd diseases that I had never heard of, I think it was Shagas. The obligarchy that really runs our nation wants the cheap labor even at the cost of leaving our borders wide open in a time of war and terror. Bush is doing nothing about our borders and this is making many Americans angry. I support the Minute Man project and I consider them patriots. I would go if I had the time but they will only allow so many people to participate to keep it under control and keep the bad apples out. They are only going to be the eyes and ears ro the border patrol and that is all.

well, infact, other than the us doing that alone, all countries in the world should just simply forbid cross-nation travels. so american young men and women in south korea, japan, germany, england, etc can all go home to see their moms and dads. problems sovled.  everyone can live happily everafter.

imperial china's "closed-door" policy starting in late 15th century afterall got something in common with the modern day usa.

The U.S. has the right to protect its borders. I do not see what the controversy is about. The reason why the Mexican border is porous is because the agricultural interests in border tates want it that way.

Increased legal immigration will not solve any problem. Illegal immigration is a necessary component of modern American economy, especially in the border. The U.S. needs a class of workers with practically no legal rights. They need people that they can pay less than the minimum salary, give no benefits, and pay not payroll taxes on them. Legal immigrants have the same labor rights than Americans, so this will not solve the problem.

Americans are just unwilling to pay the price for legal wages to get food. Agriculture and cattle ranchers are already heavily subsidized, they use illegal labor, and many can barely break even. Now that they are taking away subsidies, they will be more inclined to use illegal immigrants.

Without illegal aliens our wconomy would take a hit.  Anything that helps the economy is fine with me as it beneifits everyone.  Illegal immigrants do jobs many Americans wont do, and they help replenish our aging population.  Anyway one could ( I wont) argue that the land most illegals are coming into used to Mexico's anyway, giving them just as much a right as we do to live there.

Eaglecap,

It is because you are not a bigot that I urged you to not associate yourself with the minute man project. I have read many of your threads, and I noticed that you have great interest and respect for other cultures.

The anti-illegal immigration have many valid points, and you already mentioned several of them.

My problem with the minute man project is the method that they are using. Notice that they do not have a page with the name of their leadership. Notice their legal waiver, taking away liability from the organizers. Notice the "hatemail" page, which have a collection of emails signed by "Mexicans" promising violence against the participants.

I tried to find information about the project in the Southern Poverty Law Center, and I found nothing. Their paranoia against an anti-intolerance organization is even more telling.

I am sure that there are other groups that carry the same message without the shady methods. It seems that you may have found some. I just think it is unfair of these organizers to hide behind people who honestly believe in the idea without having a trace of prejudice against the aliens.

I saw a great T shirt in the bookstore today, it was a picture of Geronimo with a rifle and it said "Americas homeland security against terrorists, in operation since 1492"  I want one!

It was the Empire Loyalists that gave Canada their great sense of identity. It may be time to have a second wave. Not all Peoples are scrambling to entre the U.S. infact I am sure there are many who would like to leave. In a world that values wealth above all the U.S. is quite appealing to the poor. The mass effort to constantly pat yourselves on the back reaches every country in the world creating an image of Utopia. Your southern border is quite pourous, possibly for a reason. There will always be acceptable numbers of "Illegals" but when it reaches an epidemic that door will slam shut so fast the cat will be tailless. Boby Fischer found a new home in Iceland, he played chess in the former Yugoslavia, big deal. Its chess man not arms dealing. A country that calls itself "Home of the Free" certaintly is becoming more of a Police State. Let everyone in the world come and take a peak at the lofted "United Staes of America". People will find it isn't what they thought. I do a lot of travel and feel I am a citizen of the world, because of my nationality I am given this advantage. The U.S. is one of my favorite places to visit but a terrible place to discuss an issue. It always turns into a game of "We are better than you are". Fox news realy does the U.S. no justice, Bill O'Reily has the # one rated cable news Program. The man constantly tries to change history and create a paronoid society. Border control "pot" from Canada, "Ilegals" from Mexico will destroy society. People like him have emerged to be the un elected leaders of a great nation, and this is sad.

Come on folks stop looking for the "Black Helicopters" visit Cuba smoke a cigar and read a good book, turn off the media and enlighten oneself........Go Duke...

Edited by Gmac

I think the key word has to be --illegal.  The fact is there are a million ways to get into the USA legally and that seems to be why I scratch my head about this issue.

The fact is the politicians have made this a political issue for years, but the reality is that it is a security issue.  I don't have a problem with anyone who comes to this country -- but go through legal channels so I know why you are here and what your motivations for coming are and that YOU ARE NOT A TERRORIST. 

At this point I am happy to have you here -- the more the merrier.  After all all my ancestors are from Wales, France, Germany and the Netherlands.  I am glad they came but they came LEGALLY.