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Hellios
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Topic: Greco-Turkish music & dance Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 23:20 |
A short piece of traditional music - I won't call it Greek or Turkish - you decide.
It's a traditional Anatolian lullaby, performed by somebody of Anatolian origin, and Turkish words are heard.
The instrument, called "santouri" in Greek, is of Persian origin.
An image of Istanbul appears behind the stage often...
Rgds.
Edited by Hellios - 28-Dec-2006 at 18:06
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Posted: 16-Dec-2006 at 23:29 |
Clearly Greek.
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 06:05 |
The instrument looks awesome I've never seen one before is it common in Greece?, the singing voice/style is reminicent and similar to some Turkish ballad's, sounds lovely and very moving.
Edited by Bulldog - 17-Dec-2006 at 06:06
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 14:11 |
Bleda for now on you are my best arkadash
If you want just say to me to send you some very good Sfakianakis links!!!
This instrument is called santouri,common in the islands and was common in Minor Asia(where this "miracle-kid" Areti Ketime is from(her grandparents I mean).
This song and melody is nanourisma-cradlesong and its panhellenic,it is sang by mothers and grandmothers to lull the kids...It sound very simiral to some byzantine hymns.
I found some samples of santouri:
Aivaliotikos
San ta Marmara tis Polis-Like the marbles of the City
Pername(Mytilini)
Geranotikos syrtos(Mytilini)
Ta xyla
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 14:22 |
Originally posted by Bulldog
The instrument looks awesome I've never seen one before is it common in Greece? |
Performers of traditional music know it.
Edited by Hellios - 21-Dec-2006 at 16:12
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Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 09:45 |
Mmm...Natalia cok guzel
But these are the two best singers now:
1) Notis Sfakianakis
His best song: O Aetos(the Eagle)
other: Look how Greeks groove in bouzoukia!!:
Paparouna
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Akou vre file
2) Pasxalis Terzis
Yparxo
Dakrysmeni Zitas
Leo
And of course the best bouzouktzis Nikolopoulos
Nikolopoulos playing Perpiniadis : here
Bleda,I suppose you like Sfakianakis,here take this links from his Live cd(Noother singer has ever sold more CDs from this one(Its in three parts):
http://rapidshare.com/files/716139/Notis_Sfakianakis_-_1999_-_XXX_Enthymion__2cd_.part1.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/722513/Notis_Sfakianakis_-_1999_-_XXX_Enthymion__2cd_.part2.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/722995/Notis_Sfakianakis_-_1999_-_XXX_Enthymion__2cd_.part3.rar.html
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Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 09:57 |
In Iranian (especially Kurdish & Persian) traditional music it is very common.
It is the ancestor of the piano.
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Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 09:58 |
about that instrument i have heard it in some old ottoman songs
I don't know the name but even the chinese have it.
i think sounds greek
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Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 10:02 |
I think the Chinese may have acquired it from Tajikistan, since it is also common there.
It is called the Santoor.
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Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 11:14 |
They could be possible. It makes sence but cab you find a chinemen the agree
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Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 12:12 |
I have never seen the Chinese version, but there are several styles - the use of this instrument is diverse around the Iranian geographical area (various tribes and people using it). How diverse is it in the Far East? If it is limited only to China then it is probable that it definitely is Near Eastern in Origin.
The only similar Chinese instrument I can think of has the strings plucked rather than hit with the hammer, though I don't know what it is called.
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Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 12:25 |
hmmm the chinese equilevant is smaller and they play it realy fast
the plucked version is a nother instrument Turkish its called Kanun(not a original turkic word prob persian or arabic)
Edited by xi_tujue - 18-Dec-2006 at 12:26
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Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 12:26 |
Originally posted by Zagros
It is the ancestor of the piano. |
That means the piano is of Persian origin.
Edited by Hellios - 21-Dec-2006 at 16:13
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Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 15:09 |
Originally posted by xi_tujue
hmmm the chinese equilevant is smaller and they play it realy fastthe plucked version is a nother instrument Turkish its called Kanun(not a original turkic word prob persian or arabic)
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"Kanun" derives from the Greek word κανων( Kanon)='measuring rod; rule'.
Kanun is also simiral to Psalterion
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Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 15:29 |
Originally posted by The Hidden Face
Clearly Greek. |
Clearly "Greko-Turko-Serbo-Croato-Albano-Bulgaro-etc.etc.etc".-nian music. Those kind of motives you may find in any country south of Danube. And I suppose in Romania as well.
Very soon people in this forum will start to discuss who invented Harmonic minor -- Greeks or Turks. And somebody will explain us that "Harmony" is Greek word
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Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 15:34 |
Originally posted by Anton
And somebody will explain us that "Harmony" is Greek word |
You did it for us
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Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 15:35 |
Originally posted by Patrinos
Originally posted by Anton
And somebody will explain us that "Harmony" is Greek word | You did it for us |
Actually, I did it for you.
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Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 15:41 |
Originally posted by The Hidden Face
Clearly Greek. |
Originally posted by Anton
Clearly "Greko-Turko-Serbo-Croato-Albano-Bulgaro-etc.etc.etc".-nian music. Those kind of motives you may find in any country south of Danube. And I suppose in Romania as well. Very soon people in this forum will start to discuss who invented Harmonic minor -- Greeks or Turks. And somebody will explain us that "Harmony" is Greek word |
Anton, I think Hidden Face simply meant that he thinks it's a Greek song.
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