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    Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 14:04

Did The Turkic tribes invaded Europe(like  Huns ,Avars,Phechenegs,Tatars,Kumans,Oghurs etc...)  changed some things on it?Or only crushed the civilization?
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For Italy Huns mean only destruction, rape and barbarity. They brought us nothing positive .
 
As a boy it was a little cultural shock for me hearing for the first time that there were some people out of Italy who considered themselves proud heirs of Attila Smile
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"For Italy Huns mean only destruction, rape and barbarity. They brought us nothing positive"
 
Ya, for Native Americans and Native Australia, Europeans only bought disease, racism, proverty, and inequality to their lands.
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Huns and the Magyars were the most succesful at civilization destroying
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"For Italy Huns mean only destruction, rape and barbarity. They brought us nothing positive"
 
Ya, for Native Americans and Native Australia, Europeans only bought disease, racism, proverty, and inequality to their lands.
 
 
 
Do you mean that these were the imprinting that the Huns made on the European minds?
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Huns and the Magyars were the most succesful at civilization destroying
 
 
But Magyars after a few centuries adopted European civilization (especially after their conversion to christianity). Nowadays they are Europeans as much as other European peoples are, even if they maintain a romantic tie with Attila the Hun Smile
 
 
 
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Seljuks and Ottomans had very highly civilization...
The lands of the of the West may be armored with walls of steel,
But I have borders guarded by the mighty chest of a believer...
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Originally posted by Leonardo

As a boy it was a little cultural shock for me hearing for the first time that there were some people out of Italy who considered themselves proud heirs of Attila Smile

yes!we are proud of Atilla Khan.He is a magnificant leader...
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True,we proud of him,he was a true Turk...
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Hi!
 
Attila was a king. Or maybe(10%) kagan. Khan is a mongolian word.
The huns foughted in Europe maybe 100 years long, the magyars made their military campain maybe 60 years long. The german tribes attacked the "civilizated" Europe 500, the osmans 400 years long.
 
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Originally posted by Tar Szernd

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Attila was a king. Or maybe(10%) kagan. Khan is a mongolian word.
The huns foughted in Europe maybe 100 years long, the magyars made their military campain maybe 60 years long. The german tribes attacked the "civilizated" Europe 500, the osmans 400 years long.
 
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Khan is a Turkic word,you dont know anything about Turkic history,we are central asian and there was a brotherhood between Turks and mongols.Their language have some similarities and Huns were Turkic tribe.
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Originally posted by the_oz

Originally posted by Leonardo

As a boy it was a little cultural shock for me hearing for the first time that there were some people out of Italy who considered themselves proud heirs of Attila Smile

yes!we are proud of Atilla Khan.He is a magnificant leader...
can you plaese tell me why?
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Well in Turk cuture,we like bold,brave mans.He was bravious,clever and he was a fierce warrior.

 
And the real matter:HE WAS A GREAT TURK!
 
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Well,return to my question.
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Originally posted by Turk Nomad

Well in Turk cuture,we like bold,brave mans.He was bravious,clever and he was a fierce warrior.

 
And the real matter:HE WAS A GREAT TURK!
 
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Well,return to my question.
 
What he brought with him was rape, murder and general destruction. Hitler had been proud as well.
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What he brought with him was rape, murder and general destruction. Hitler had been proud as well.
 
This is generally what attacking armies give to locals, and hitler is totally unrelated with topic. Hitler is not detested because of his cruelty, but because of his racism.
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Attila wasn't a Racist =).But hitler was...
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What are the criteria for being a "GREAT TURK", you know...just in case I want to become one too
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İf you a bold and you a Turk,if you reached Turks to high.You will be one of them...
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Originally posted by Mortaza

What he brought with him was rape, murder and general destruction. Hitler had been proud as well.
 
This is generally what attacking armies give to locals, and hitler is totally unrelated with topic. Hitler is not detested because of his cruelty, but because of his racism.
Way to miss the point. LOL
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Originally posted by Tar Szernd

Hi!
 
Attila was a king. Or maybe(10%) kagan. Khan is a mongolian word.
The huns foughted in Europe maybe 100 years long, the magyars made their military campain maybe 60 years long. The german tribes attacked the "civilizated" Europe 500, the osmans 400 years long.
 
TSZ
 
Khan is a Turkic word,you dont know anything about Turkic history,we are central asian and there was a brotherhood between Turks and mongols.Their language have some similarities and Huns were Turkic tribe.
 
Hi!
 
Yes their languages have similarities. For exemple the turkish kagan means in mongolian khan. Smile
Bilge was kagan, Krum, Bayan, Kuvrat were kagans. F.e.Batu was a khan.
I'm in a 60-70% full knowlidge about Altaic history. Certenly the antient turc-nomadic tribe-unions had mongolian etnics too, and vice-versa.
 
Na, teht: effects of nomad turk hordes to Europe were: trousers, buttons, stirraps, spangenhelmets, heavy cavalery, the sabre, the hussars, of the reason of the turc attacs the building of big fortesses, the centralisation of Germany; the lost of the hungarian kingdom etc.
 
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