macedonia and greece ,are they the same e

i want to ask a burning question are greece and macedonia are the same ethnic group ,in some school book in malaysia  alexander the great are refer as greece but some are refer as macedonia ,which are are true ,are both speak the same language  and are i saw too there a  place in greece map they are a place called macedonia ,please let me know ,thank you .

There are two lines  as about  the History of the Macedonia.

Edited by akritas - 09-Sep-2006 at 06:45

Originally posted by Anton Originally posted by Sparten You have just opened up a can of worms.   Most ofwormsarestill sleeping

I was tired of the subject for a very long time, but not any more.  I'm afraid, rodimus, that you will probably be more confused about the subject, because any potential debate will probably get very deep into very small details.  I've debated the issue on many forums, for their original non-Greek origin, and so I'm very familiar with the usual arguments pro and con.  It is a potential can of worms.

Sharrukin, you fail to persuade anyone. Your bunch of words of unknown origin that propose a differemce between macedians and greeks is just very weak evidence.

Sharrukin, you fail to persuade anyone.

I can't actively participate Sharukin, because I have limited knowledge. I remember you though presenting your arguments oven in HG history forum, and the impression I got was that you have some indications that you intepret in the way you want.
I would be happy to see you points again, and believe me I am generally sceptical, I have no problem to accept painful facts of my nation's history, as I have already done with modern greek history.
But remember, the other time that you were arguing with a greek guy, the impression I got (from both) was you see things the way you want.

Originally posted by Neoptolemos Originally posted by bg_turk The Macedonian issue is very difficult to debte because of its current political connotations. Each country uses it to justify its hold on its territory and its claim on another. As far as Hellas is concerned, you are wrong on both: 1. In the Greek part of Macedonia there are Greeks living and that is justification enough for Hellas to hold on its territory. Even if ancient Macedonians were ethnic Turks, that wouldn't matter much in this respect.   And this is the case why Greece opposes the name of FYROM to be "Macedonia"? 2. Greece doesn't claim any other country's territory.

Originally posted by xristar 1) There is no such thingy as a 'republic of Macedonia'. There is no such nation as FYROMians.   2)Fyrom has of course in no way the capabilities to claim anything, but in many cases they seem to believe that the greek macedonia as well as the bulgarian macedonia belong them. (A sidenote here. Why do Fyromians forget that Kosovo and Korytsa are also technically parts of macedonia (as it was in ottoman times)? It seems they cannot kid with the albanians, heh heh.)   If you search around this forum you will find a lot of territorial claims between Greeks, Bulgarians, Albanians, Serbs, Croats and others. Look at the map part for example. I (and I suppose Neoptolemos as well) am talking about official claims.   3)Greece should claim a part of Fyrom, because according to a research done by the greek governement in early '90s (just after the creation of Fyrom), it found 200,000 people with Greek identity.   It seems that you is one of those people who claim   Just to make you feel better -- according to Bulgarian research there is around that amount of people that are with Bulgarian identity in northern Greece. Should we claim these territories?

We could take a piece from Germany, Australia and US too and a lot much bigger than FYROM's. That would be great!!