QuoteReplyTopic: 3800 year old Egyptian ship rebuilt and sailed Posted: 31-Mar-2010 at 20:19
No worries, Mate. Done that a few times myself. Perhaps someone here has confused the Carthaginians, those descendants of the Phoenicians who settled on the North African coast, with that Middle Eastern people. If the Carthaginians were African, then Charlize Theron is an African (or Afrikaaner) as well. Still, I don't think she would argue that such gives her any genetically ordained skills in maritime navigation. Pardon this reductio ab absurdum, but that seems to be what that post was meant to elicit.
Phong trần mài một lưỡi gươm, Những loài giá áo túi cơm sá gì
A replica of an ancient Egyptian ship of the kind that used to sail to Punt has been tested and proven very seaworthy and capable:
3800 year old Egyptian ship rebuilt and sailed
That ship's age would make its time 1800 BC. That would have been around the time of Hyksos occupation of Egypt, when Pharaoh Seqen, Queen Ahhotep, and subsequently their sons Kamose and Ahmose, were fighting to liberate Egypt from Pharaoh Apophis, the foreign Hyksos emperor.
Apophis was succeeded as Pharaoh by Khammudi, his treasurer-minister. Both Seqen and Kamose did their parts valiantly, but were killed during their independence fight. Only youngest son Ahmose eventually succeeded, with the help of his able and equally valiant mother, becoming the new native Egyptian pharaoh of a new dynasty.
Edited by Shield-of-Dardania - 31-Mar-2010 at 21:54
History makes everything. Everything is history in the making.
Opus, where I went to University, they were called 'corsarios'. In English, Barbary Corsairs, or Barbary Pirates. I believe you'll find that such was the term used to describe them by the newly born U.S. Navy. (Stephen Decatur? The USMC 'mamaluke sword', etc.) 'African' would have been a bit simplistic, no?
Phong trần mài một lưỡi gươm, Những loài giá áo túi cơm sá gì
Opus, where I went to University, they were called 'corsarios'. In English, Barbary Corsairs, or Barbary Pirates. I believe you'll find that such was the term used to describe them by the newly born U.S. Navy. (Stephen Decatur? The USMC 'mamaluke sword', etc.) 'African' would have been a bit simplistic, no?
Yes, you seem to have pulled the last name for these people from a bunch of earlier possibilites!
"The Barbary pirates were pirates and privateers that operated from North African (the "Barbary coast") ports of Tunis, Tripoli, Algiers, Salé and ports in Morocco, preying on shipping in the western Mediterranean Sea from the time of the Crusades as well as on ships on their way to Asia around Africa until the early 19th century. The coastal villages and towns of Italy, Spain and Mediterranean islands were frequently attacked by them and long stretches of the Italian and Spanish coasts were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants; after 1600 Barbary pirates occasionally entered the Atlantic and struck as far north as Iceland. According to Robert Davis[26][27] between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves in North Africa and Ottoman Empire between the 16th and 19th centuries. The most famous corsairs were the Ottoman Hayreddin and his older brother Oruç Reis (Redbeard), Turgut Reis (known as Dragut in the West), Kurtoğlu (known as Curtogoli in the West), Kemal Reis, Salih Reis and Koca Murat Reis. A few Barbary pirates, such as Jan Janszoon and John Ward [Yusuf Reis], were renegade English privateers who had converted to Islam.
According to the U.S. Supreme Court, the United States treated captured Barbary corsairs as prisoners of war, indicating that they were considered as legitimate privateers by at least some of their opponents, as well as by their home countries."
The key words from the above are; "...preying on shipping in the western Mediterranean Sea from the time of the Crusades as well as on ships on their way to Asia around Africa until the early 19th century."
Lets see, the Crusades? lets say some where in the middle of the 1200's to sometime in the early 1820's?, so lets just say from 1220
CE, to 1820 CE? It appears that one group or another seems to have profitited from piracy while being located in a few special areas upon the shore line of N. Africa from Carthage to Gibralta, for about 700 continous years!!!
Even if we cut 100 years from this suggestion, we are left with a period of 600 years!!!
This seems to have really been an Empire!, and a long lived one at that!
And, surprisingly this entire part of the coast line of N. Africa, is also reportedly one that was repeatedly conquered and settled by the Phoenicians, the Goths, the Vandals, and the Saracens or Moors or
Arabs, and then by the Ottomans? And,it seems the largest business of this coastal area was piracy and slave trade!
For me to go further, I would have to post in the Revisionist History section!, or receive my exile on Elba! Laugh!
consensual history/Persian version of world history believers,just read here: The ship’s
speed means that journeys would be made in much less time than
Egyptologists had calculated, making the whole voyage simpler and more
feasible for the
ancients.
The technology we used had not been applied to shipbuilding for more
than 3,500 years, and it still works as well today as it did then. Read here about last centuries only: http://www.phouka.com/pharaoh/pharaoh/dynasties/dyn33/01pto1.html Ptolemy the Second built channel from Nile to golf of Suez : Ptolemy II is called Philadelphus (which means "Brother/Sister
Loving"), probably due to the fact that he married his full sister,
Arsinoe II. He had a joint reign with her, and during their time as
rulers, the Ptolemaic empire reached its greatest size. Trade was
enhanced by a chain of towns he founded along the coast which supported
trade with India and Arabia.
Ptolemy II was the pharaoh responsible for the Pharos Lighthouse,
which was finished during his reign (about 280) and it may have been
him, instead of his father who was responsible for the creation of the
original Museion and Library.
He commissioned Jewish scholars from Jerusalem to translate the
Pentateuch into Greek for the Library collection, continuing his
father's efforts to make Alexandria a cultural center in the region.
Every
four years, Ptolemy II sponsored a celebration in honor of his father,
patterned after the Olympic games of Rome. He also built a canal from
the Nile to the Gulf of Suez.
Despite the cultural
advances of Ptolemy II's rule, he remained at war with Syria until he
married off his daughter Berenice to the SYrian king, Antiochus II to
cement a political peace. There is some evidence that his first wife,
Arsinoe, was repudiated so he could marry his sister, who was also
named Arsinoe.
During his reign, a general register
of Egypt was produced, listing all the fields, canals, and agricultural
areas. The register was designed to allow for accurate tax collecting
-- the income used to develop foreign trade and support foreign
politics.
Ptolemy II started temples at the Island of Philae, adding temples to Elephantine, and fragments of temples at Thebes. Other structures from his reign exist in Saqqara, and the Fayoum oasis.
All of you must know tha I. Velikovsky, assumed and promoted the theory that "Punt", which equals the "Holy land", presumed to be the area around Jerusalem!
They sailed and traded for sure.Where did they?Mediterranean sea coastal area for sure.India?America?China?Poles?Scale of trading depended of population inside trading area.Will be the same if 2000 years after,Apollo moon module,they found?"We need video material that this one really have flyed to the moon" or "They had never been to the moon.Everything was photo montage".
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